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Translation needed for 130 years old church document

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I found this record of my great grandfather in a local church in Malaysia. Today, nobody use Latin anymore in this country. I should be much grateful if someone can help my family translating this document so that we can trace our root. My great grandfather's name on the certificate is Lam Fuk On.

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  I posted my translation, but the handwriting is a bit difficult: if you know what the fifth line is supposed to say, a transcription would be helpful. (The first thing on that line is a person's name.)
  
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I found this record of my great grandfather in a local church in Malaysia. Today, nobody use Latin anymore in this country. I should be much grateful if someone can help my family translating this document so that we can trace our root. My great grandfather's name on the certificate is Lam Fuk On.

latin-to-english-translation

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  I posted my translation, but the handwriting is a bit difficult: if you know what the fifth line is supposed to say, a transcription would be helpful. (The first thing on that line is a person's name.)
  
  – Draconis
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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I found this record of my great grandfather in a local church in Malaysia. Today, nobody use Latin anymore in this country. I should be much grateful if someone can help my family translating this document so that we can trace our root. My great grandfather's name on the certificate is Lam Fuk On.

latin-to-english-translation

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This looks like a standard baptism record.

In the Year of Our Lord 1887, on the 17th day of the month of April, in this church of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus in Machang-Bubok, I, Sorin, M. Ap., solemnly baptized the legitimate son of Lam Fuk On and Virginia, born four days ago; the name "Justinus" was given to him. Mian An Vu(?) and his wife, Lam Charlotte, were named as his godparents. [Signed,] F. Sorin.

I'm having a bit of difficulty with the handwriting, so I'm not sure I got the priest's name right, and I'm not even able to make a good guess at the godfather's name: it's the first handwritten thing on the fifth line.

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edited 38 mins ago

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  @luchonacho From the context, I took the name as being in the genitive: compare to "et Virginiae" right after it.
  
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  Makes sense like that. Actually, when the OP says "my great grandfather's name on the certificate is Lam Fuk On" I took it to mean the person being baptised, but I see it refers to the parent of the baby.
  
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  The fifth line seems to include the Latin words "fuerunt" and "ejus uxor": Lam Charlotte would be the wife of... err... Mian On Vu?, the godfather. Vero in the first line seems to me like a (stylistic?) connector that doesn't really need to be included in the translation, as sometimes happens with autem too.
  
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  The first letter in the second word in the godfather's name matches the A in Aprilis, so it could be [Mian?] An [Vu?]
  
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  @Rafael That's as good a reading as any, and certainly better than mine! Added that tentatively to the translation.
  
  – Draconis
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It's a record of a baptism, stating:

• the date of the event (17 of April of 1887), which was four days after the baby was born


• the minister officiating the ceremony (Father F.P. Sorin, a French missionary priest, buried at St. Anne's Church, just a few miles away from the church where the baptism took place) (more info about the priest here)


• the place (the extinct Church of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, in Machang Bubok)


• the name of the parents


• the Christian name given to the baby (Justinus, or Justin, in English)


• the name of the godparents (fifth line)

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  Isn't Lam Fuk On the name of the father? Specifically, the line looks like "filium legitimum Lam Fuk On et Virginiae"; my guess is both names are genitive, but "Lam Fuk On" is indeclinable.
  
  – Draconis
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  Woah, nice findings!
  
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  You actually found the priest in question?? Damn, impressive!
  
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8

This looks like a standard baptism record.

In the Year of Our Lord 1887, on the 17th day of the month of April, in this church of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus in Machang-Bubok, I, Sorin, M. Ap., solemnly baptized the legitimate son of Lam Fuk On and Virginia, born four days ago; the name "Justinus" was given to him. Mian An Vu(?) and his wife, Lam Charlotte, were named as his godparents. [Signed,] F. Sorin.

I'm having a bit of difficulty with the handwriting, so I'm not sure I got the priest's name right, and I'm not even able to make a good guess at the godfather's name: it's the first handwritten thing on the fifth line.

share|improve this answer

edited 38 mins ago

answered 3 hours ago

DraconisDraconis

16.2k22170

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  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @luchonacho From the context, I took the name as being in the genitive: compare to "et Virginiae" right after it.
  
  – Draconis
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Makes sense like that. Actually, when the OP says "my great grandfather's name on the certificate is Lam Fuk On" I took it to mean the person being baptised, but I see it refers to the parent of the baby.
  
  – luchonacho
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  The fifth line seems to include the Latin words "fuerunt" and "ejus uxor": Lam Charlotte would be the wife of... err... Mian On Vu?, the godfather. Vero in the first line seems to me like a (stylistic?) connector that doesn't really need to be included in the translation, as sometimes happens with autem too.
  
  – Rafael
  2 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  The first letter in the second word in the godfather's name matches the A in Aprilis, so it could be [Mian?] An [Vu?]
  
  – Rafael
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Rafael That's as good a reading as any, and certainly better than mine! Added that tentatively to the translation.
  
  – Draconis
  1 hour ago
  

  
  
  
  

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8

This looks like a standard baptism record.

In the Year of Our Lord 1887, on the 17th day of the month of April, in this church of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus in Machang-Bubok, I, Sorin, M. Ap., solemnly baptized the legitimate son of Lam Fuk On and Virginia, born four days ago; the name "Justinus" was given to him. Mian An Vu(?) and his wife, Lam Charlotte, were named as his godparents. [Signed,] F. Sorin.

I'm having a bit of difficulty with the handwriting, so I'm not sure I got the priest's name right, and I'm not even able to make a good guess at the godfather's name: it's the first handwritten thing on the fifth line.

share|improve this answer

edited 38 mins ago

answered 3 hours ago

DraconisDraconis

16.2k22170

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @luchonacho From the context, I took the name as being in the genitive: compare to "et Virginiae" right after it.
  
  – Draconis
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Makes sense like that. Actually, when the OP says "my great grandfather's name on the certificate is Lam Fuk On" I took it to mean the person being baptised, but I see it refers to the parent of the baby.
  
  – luchonacho
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  The fifth line seems to include the Latin words "fuerunt" and "ejus uxor": Lam Charlotte would be the wife of... err... Mian On Vu?, the godfather. Vero in the first line seems to me like a (stylistic?) connector that doesn't really need to be included in the translation, as sometimes happens with autem too.
  
  – Rafael
  2 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  The first letter in the second word in the godfather's name matches the A in Aprilis, so it could be [Mian?] An [Vu?]
  
  – Rafael
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Rafael That's as good a reading as any, and certainly better than mine! Added that tentatively to the translation.
  
  – Draconis
  1 hour ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

This looks like a standard baptism record.

In the Year of Our Lord 1887, on the 17th day of the month of April, in this church of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus in Machang-Bubok, I, Sorin, M. Ap., solemnly baptized the legitimate son of Lam Fuk On and Virginia, born four days ago; the name "Justinus" was given to him. Mian An Vu(?) and his wife, Lam Charlotte, were named as his godparents. [Signed,] F. Sorin.

I'm having a bit of difficulty with the handwriting, so I'm not sure I got the priest's name right, and I'm not even able to make a good guess at the godfather's name: it's the first handwritten thing on the fifth line.

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edited 38 mins ago

answered 3 hours ago

DraconisDraconis

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edited 38 mins ago

answered 3 hours ago

DraconisDraconis

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It's a record of a baptism, stating:

• the date of the event (17 of April of 1887), which was four days after the baby was born


• the minister officiating the ceremony (Father F.P. Sorin, a French missionary priest, buried at St. Anne's Church, just a few miles away from the church where the baptism took place) (more info about the priest here)


• the place (the extinct Church of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, in Machang Bubok)


• the name of the parents


• the Christian name given to the baby (Justinus, or Justin, in English)


• the name of the godparents (fifth line)

share|improve this answer

edited 2 hours ago

answered 3 hours ago

luchonacholuchonacho

5,05931052

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Isn't Lam Fuk On the name of the father? Specifically, the line looks like "filium legitimum Lam Fuk On et Virginiae"; my guess is both names are genitive, but "Lam Fuk On" is indeclinable.
  
  – Draconis
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Woah, nice findings!
  
  – Rafael
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  You actually found the priest in question?? Damn, impressive!
  
  – Draconis
  33 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

5

It's a record of a baptism, stating:

• the date of the event (17 of April of 1887), which was four days after the baby was born


• the minister officiating the ceremony (Father F.P. Sorin, a French missionary priest, buried at St. Anne's Church, just a few miles away from the church where the baptism took place) (more info about the priest here)


• the place (the extinct Church of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, in Machang Bubok)


• the name of the parents


• the Christian name given to the baby (Justinus, or Justin, in English)


• the name of the godparents (fifth line)

share|improve this answer

edited 2 hours ago

answered 3 hours ago

luchonacholuchonacho

5,05931052

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Isn't Lam Fuk On the name of the father? Specifically, the line looks like "filium legitimum Lam Fuk On et Virginiae"; my guess is both names are genitive, but "Lam Fuk On" is indeclinable.
  
  – Draconis
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Woah, nice findings!
  
  – Rafael
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  You actually found the priest in question?? Damn, impressive!
  
  – Draconis
  33 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

It's a record of a baptism, stating:

• the date of the event (17 of April of 1887), which was four days after the baby was born


• the minister officiating the ceremony (Father F.P. Sorin, a French missionary priest, buried at St. Anne's Church, just a few miles away from the church where the baptism took place) (more info about the priest here)


• the place (the extinct Church of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, in Machang Bubok)


• the name of the parents


• the Christian name given to the baby (Justinus, or Justin, in English)


• the name of the godparents (fifth line)

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edited 2 hours ago

answered 3 hours ago

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