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The term Citrus Fruit covers oranges, lemons, and grapefruits; all of which are very similar in skin & flesh.
Is there a similar term to cover apples and pears (outside of Cockney rhyming slang)?
I realise that Citrus comes from biological classification (i.e. it's the common genus of these fruits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus).
Whilst apples and pears it seems are less closely related / you have to go back to the Rosaceae family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosaceae) for their mutual branch, which also includes anything that blossoms (roses, cherries, almonds, and more).
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The term Citrus Fruit covers oranges, lemons, and grapefruits; all of which are very similar in skin & flesh.
Is there a similar term to cover apples and pears (outside of Cockney rhyming slang)?
I realise that Citrus comes from biological classification (i.e. it's the common genus of these fruits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus).
Whilst apples and pears it seems are less closely related / you have to go back to the Rosaceae family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosaceae) for their mutual branch, which also includes anything that blossoms (roses, cherries, almonds, and more).
terminology food biology classification
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Not to my knowledge, no, which is actually quite interesting since apples and pears are notionally very closely related in my mind. Despite being different species/genera/classes, I do think of them as being particularly closely associated with one another (more so than berries, which also comprise many different species and are more diverse than apples and pears), but I have no common word for them.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
yesterday
I wondered about "orchard fruit" though that includes peaches and cherries.
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
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Stairs.
– sjl
yesterday
1
You actualy only have to go up to the [Malinae ](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae) but that doesn't help much
– Chris H
17 hours ago
add a comment |
The term Citrus Fruit covers oranges, lemons, and grapefruits; all of which are very similar in skin & flesh.
Is there a similar term to cover apples and pears (outside of Cockney rhyming slang)?
I realise that Citrus comes from biological classification (i.e. it's the common genus of these fruits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus).
Whilst apples and pears it seems are less closely related / you have to go back to the Rosaceae family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosaceae) for their mutual branch, which also includes anything that blossoms (roses, cherries, almonds, and more).
terminology food biology classification
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The term Citrus Fruit covers oranges, lemons, and grapefruits; all of which are very similar in skin & flesh.
Is there a similar term to cover apples and pears (outside of Cockney rhyming slang)?
I realise that Citrus comes from biological classification (i.e. it's the common genus of these fruits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus).
Whilst apples and pears it seems are less closely related / you have to go back to the Rosaceae family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosaceae) for their mutual branch, which also includes anything that blossoms (roses, cherries, almonds, and more).
terminology food biology classification
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Not to my knowledge, no, which is actually quite interesting since apples and pears are notionally very closely related in my mind. Despite being different species/genera/classes, I do think of them as being particularly closely associated with one another (more so than berries, which also comprise many different species and are more diverse than apples and pears), but I have no common word for them.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
yesterday
I wondered about "orchard fruit" though that includes peaches and cherries.
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
5
Stairs.
– sjl
yesterday
1
You actualy only have to go up to the [Malinae ](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae) but that doesn't help much
– Chris H
17 hours ago
add a comment |
2
Not to my knowledge, no, which is actually quite interesting since apples and pears are notionally very closely related in my mind. Despite being different species/genera/classes, I do think of them as being particularly closely associated with one another (more so than berries, which also comprise many different species and are more diverse than apples and pears), but I have no common word for them.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
yesterday
I wondered about "orchard fruit" though that includes peaches and cherries.
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
5
Stairs.
– sjl
yesterday
1
You actualy only have to go up to the [Malinae ](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae) but that doesn't help much
– Chris H
17 hours ago
2
2
Not to my knowledge, no, which is actually quite interesting since apples and pears are notionally very closely related in my mind. Despite being different species/genera/classes, I do think of them as being particularly closely associated with one another (more so than berries, which also comprise many different species and are more diverse than apples and pears), but I have no common word for them.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
yesterday
Not to my knowledge, no, which is actually quite interesting since apples and pears are notionally very closely related in my mind. Despite being different species/genera/classes, I do think of them as being particularly closely associated with one another (more so than berries, which also comprise many different species and are more diverse than apples and pears), but I have no common word for them.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
yesterday
I wondered about "orchard fruit" though that includes peaches and cherries.
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
I wondered about "orchard fruit" though that includes peaches and cherries.
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
5
5
Stairs.
– sjl
yesterday
Stairs.
– sjl
yesterday
1
1
You actualy only have to go up to the [Malinae ](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae) but that doesn't help much
– Chris H
17 hours ago
You actualy only have to go up to the [Malinae ](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae) but that doesn't help much
– Chris H
17 hours ago
add a comment |
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Yes, they are pomes
a fruit consisting of a fleshy enlarged receptacle and a tough central core containing the seeds, e.g., an apple or pear.
Pome:Google dictionary.
edited 15 hours ago
SwissFr
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Phil SweetPhil Sweet
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Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
13
As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!
– RJHunter
yesterday
7
It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.
– B. Goddard
20 hours ago
1
Google's results use Oxford BTW.
– MCCCS
16 hours ago
add a comment |
The corresponding expression to citrus fruit is pomaceous fruit(s):
Thus, the apple, crab, pear, quince, medlar, and possibly others are designated as “pomaceous" fruits, each having certain specific (as contrasted with general) natural characters in common. — US Dept. of Agriculture, Agriculture Yearbook, 1926.
I could not use a Google Book NGram to check for frequency because of the massive false hits for pome, but I think I’ve seen the adjective + fruit more often than the noun pome, in contrast to drupe, which appears to be more frequent than the adjective drupaceous.
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As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.
– David Richerby
yesterday
1
Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".
– jamesqf
yesterday
Please note: "More frequent" is relative..
– Alexander
18 hours ago
5
@DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.
– Chris H
17 hours ago
2
@ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".
– David Richerby
17 hours ago
add a comment |
In the world of horticulture and pomology (the study of fruit), the term "pome fruit" to describe this group is common everyday language in 2019. Citrus and "stone fruit" (plums, peaches and cherries) are two other big categories of tree fruit.
answered 5 hours ago
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Regarding whether "pome" is used other than as a technical term in botany, I can provide at least one example of its general use in the poem "Old Sir Faulk" by Edith Sitwell which describes
"An old dull mome / with a head like a pome."
The poem is part of the collection Façade, written to be recited over instrumental music by William Walton.
More details and the full text may be found at: https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH8869.pdf with the poem on page 16.
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Yes, they are pomes
a fruit consisting of a fleshy enlarged receptacle and a tough central core containing the seeds, e.g., an apple or pear.
Pome:Google dictionary.
edited 15 hours ago
SwissFr
1665
answered yesterday
Phil SweetPhil Sweet
10.9k22548
Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
13
As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!
– RJHunter
yesterday
7
It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.
– B. Goddard
20 hours ago
1
Google's results use Oxford BTW.
– MCCCS
16 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes, they are pomes
a fruit consisting of a fleshy enlarged receptacle and a tough central core containing the seeds, e.g., an apple or pear.
Pome:Google dictionary.
edited 15 hours ago
SwissFr
1665
answered yesterday
Phil SweetPhil Sweet
10.9k22548
Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
13
As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!
– RJHunter
yesterday
7
It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.
– B. Goddard
20 hours ago
1
Google's results use Oxford BTW.
– MCCCS
16 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes, they are pomes
a fruit consisting of a fleshy enlarged receptacle and a tough central core containing the seeds, e.g., an apple or pear.
Pome:Google dictionary.
edited 15 hours ago
SwissFr
1665
answered yesterday
Phil SweetPhil Sweet
10.9k22548
Yes, they are pomes
a fruit consisting of a fleshy enlarged receptacle and a tough central core containing the seeds, e.g., an apple or pear.
Pome:Google dictionary.
edited 15 hours ago
SwissFr
1665
answered yesterday
Phil SweetPhil Sweet
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edited 15 hours ago
SwissFr
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SwissFr
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edited 15 hours ago
SwissFr
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1665
answered yesterday
Phil SweetPhil Sweet
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answered yesterday
Phil SweetPhil Sweet
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answered yesterday
Phil SweetPhil Sweet
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Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
13
As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!
– RJHunter
yesterday
7
It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.
– B. Goddard
20 hours ago
1
Google's results use Oxford BTW.
– MCCCS
16 hours ago
add a comment |
Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
13
As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!
– RJHunter
yesterday
7
It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.
– B. Goddard
20 hours ago
1
Google's results use Oxford BTW.
– MCCCS
16 hours ago
Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
13
13
As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!
– RJHunter
yesterday
As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!
– RJHunter
yesterday
7
7
It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.
– B. Goddard
20 hours ago
It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.
– B. Goddard
20 hours ago
1
1
Google's results use Oxford BTW.
– MCCCS
16 hours ago
Google's results use Oxford BTW.
– MCCCS
16 hours ago
add a comment |
The corresponding expression to citrus fruit is pomaceous fruit(s):
Thus, the apple, crab, pear, quince, medlar, and possibly others are designated as “pomaceous" fruits, each having certain specific (as contrasted with general) natural characters in common. — US Dept. of Agriculture, Agriculture Yearbook, 1926.
I could not use a Google Book NGram to check for frequency because of the massive false hits for pome, but I think I’ve seen the adjective + fruit more often than the noun pome, in contrast to drupe, which appears to be more frequent than the adjective drupaceous.
answered yesterday
KarlGKarlG
23.2k63362
12
As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.
– David Richerby
yesterday
1
Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".
– jamesqf
yesterday
Please note: "More frequent" is relative..
– Alexander
18 hours ago
5
@DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.
– Chris H
17 hours ago
2
@ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".
– David Richerby
17 hours ago
add a comment |
The corresponding expression to citrus fruit is pomaceous fruit(s):
Thus, the apple, crab, pear, quince, medlar, and possibly others are designated as “pomaceous" fruits, each having certain specific (as contrasted with general) natural characters in common. — US Dept. of Agriculture, Agriculture Yearbook, 1926.
I could not use a Google Book NGram to check for frequency because of the massive false hits for pome, but I think I’ve seen the adjective + fruit more often than the noun pome, in contrast to drupe, which appears to be more frequent than the adjective drupaceous.
answered yesterday
KarlGKarlG
23.2k63362
12
As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.
– David Richerby
yesterday
1
Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".
– jamesqf
yesterday
Please note: "More frequent" is relative..
– Alexander
18 hours ago
5
@DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.
– Chris H
17 hours ago
2
@ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".
– David Richerby
17 hours ago
add a comment |
The corresponding expression to citrus fruit is pomaceous fruit(s):
Thus, the apple, crab, pear, quince, medlar, and possibly others are designated as “pomaceous" fruits, each having certain specific (as contrasted with general) natural characters in common. — US Dept. of Agriculture, Agriculture Yearbook, 1926.
I could not use a Google Book NGram to check for frequency because of the massive false hits for pome, but I think I’ve seen the adjective + fruit more often than the noun pome, in contrast to drupe, which appears to be more frequent than the adjective drupaceous.
answered yesterday
KarlGKarlG
23.2k63362
The corresponding expression to citrus fruit is pomaceous fruit(s):
Thus, the apple, crab, pear, quince, medlar, and possibly others are designated as “pomaceous" fruits, each having certain specific (as contrasted with general) natural characters in common. — US Dept. of Agriculture, Agriculture Yearbook, 1926.
I could not use a Google Book NGram to check for frequency because of the massive false hits for pome, but I think I’ve seen the adjective + fruit more often than the noun pome, in contrast to drupe, which appears to be more frequent than the adjective drupaceous.
answered yesterday
KarlGKarlG
23.2k63362
edited yesterday
answered yesterday
KarlGKarlG
23.2k63362
answered yesterday
KarlGKarlG
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answered yesterday
KarlGKarlG
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As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.
– David Richerby
yesterday
1
Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".
– jamesqf
yesterday
Please note: "More frequent" is relative..
– Alexander
18 hours ago
5
@DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.
– Chris H
17 hours ago
2
@ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".
– David Richerby
17 hours ago
add a comment |
12
As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.
– David Richerby
yesterday
1
Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".
– jamesqf
yesterday
Please note: "More frequent" is relative..
– Alexander
18 hours ago
5
@DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.
– Chris H
17 hours ago
2
@ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".
– David Richerby
17 hours ago
12
12
As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.
– David Richerby
yesterday
As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.
– David Richerby
yesterday
1
1
Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".
– jamesqf
yesterday
Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".
– jamesqf
yesterday
Please note: "More frequent" is relative..
– Alexander
18 hours ago
Please note: "More frequent" is relative..
– Alexander
18 hours ago
5
5
@DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.
– Chris H
17 hours ago
@DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.
– Chris H
17 hours ago
2
2
@ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".
– David Richerby
17 hours ago
@ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".
– David Richerby
17 hours ago
add a comment |
In the world of horticulture and pomology (the study of fruit), the term "pome fruit" to describe this group is common everyday language in 2019. Citrus and "stone fruit" (plums, peaches and cherries) are two other big categories of tree fruit.
answered 5 hours ago
ThomasThomas
211
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In the world of horticulture and pomology (the study of fruit), the term "pome fruit" to describe this group is common everyday language in 2019. Citrus and "stone fruit" (plums, peaches and cherries) are two other big categories of tree fruit.
answered 5 hours ago
ThomasThomas
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In the world of horticulture and pomology (the study of fruit), the term "pome fruit" to describe this group is common everyday language in 2019. Citrus and "stone fruit" (plums, peaches and cherries) are two other big categories of tree fruit.
answered 5 hours ago
ThomasThomas
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In the world of horticulture and pomology (the study of fruit), the term "pome fruit" to describe this group is common everyday language in 2019. Citrus and "stone fruit" (plums, peaches and cherries) are two other big categories of tree fruit.
answered 5 hours ago
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Regarding whether "pome" is used other than as a technical term in botany, I can provide at least one example of its general use in the poem "Old Sir Faulk" by Edith Sitwell which describes
"An old dull mome / with a head like a pome."
The poem is part of the collection Façade, written to be recited over instrumental music by William Walton.
More details and the full text may be found at: https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH8869.pdf with the poem on page 16.
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Regarding whether "pome" is used other than as a technical term in botany, I can provide at least one example of its general use in the poem "Old Sir Faulk" by Edith Sitwell which describes
"An old dull mome / with a head like a pome."
The poem is part of the collection Façade, written to be recited over instrumental music by William Walton.
More details and the full text may be found at: https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH8869.pdf with the poem on page 16.
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Regarding whether "pome" is used other than as a technical term in botany, I can provide at least one example of its general use in the poem "Old Sir Faulk" by Edith Sitwell which describes
"An old dull mome / with a head like a pome."
The poem is part of the collection Façade, written to be recited over instrumental music by William Walton.
More details and the full text may be found at: https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH8869.pdf with the poem on page 16.
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Regarding whether "pome" is used other than as a technical term in botany, I can provide at least one example of its general use in the poem "Old Sir Faulk" by Edith Sitwell which describes
"An old dull mome / with a head like a pome."
The poem is part of the collection Façade, written to be recited over instrumental music by William Walton.
More details and the full text may be found at: https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH8869.pdf with the poem on page 16.
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Not to my knowledge, no, which is actually quite interesting since apples and pears are notionally very closely related in my mind. Despite being different species/genera/classes, I do think of them as being particularly closely associated with one another (more so than berries, which also comprise many different species and are more diverse than apples and pears), but I have no common word for them.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
yesterday
I wondered about "orchard fruit" though that includes peaches and cherries.
– JohnLBevan
yesterday
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Stairs.
– sjl
yesterday
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You actualy only have to go up to the [Malinae ](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae) but that doesn't help much
– Chris H
17 hours ago