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I want to determine the arc lenght of a parametric curve $C: {x(t),y(t) } = { cos(t)^p , sin(t)^p }$ with $p$ between $0$ and $1$, and $t$ between $0$ and $pi/2$.



I set up the following function of $p$:



L[p_] :=  ArcLength[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}, 
Method -> {"NIntegrate", MaxRecursion -> 20}]


For $p=1$ we have a quarter of a circle of radius 1 and we know the arc length is equal to $pi/2$. The above function gives the correct result: 1.5708.



For $p$ close to zero, the curve approaches a square, and we know the result should be very close to $2$. However, the function doesn't even come close to it. Evaluating L[1/100] results in 1.30603. Not close to 2 (it's not even bigger than Pi/2).



Plotting, results in the following:



Plot[L[p], {p, 0, 1}]



enter image description here



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    I get a warning from NIntegrate ("Numerical integration converging too slowly; suspect one of the following: singularity...") when trying to evaluate L for small p.
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I want to determine the arc lenght of a parametric curve $C: {x(t),y(t) } = { cos(t)^p , sin(t)^p }$ with $p$ between $0$ and $1$, and $t$ between $0$ and $pi/2$.



I set up the following function of $p$:



L[p_] :=  ArcLength[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}, 
Method -> {"NIntegrate", MaxRecursion -> 20}]


For $p=1$ we have a quarter of a circle of radius 1 and we know the arc length is equal to $pi/2$. The above function gives the correct result: 1.5708.



For $p$ close to zero, the curve approaches a square, and we know the result should be very close to $2$. However, the function doesn't even come close to it. Evaluating L[1/100] results in 1.30603. Not close to 2 (it's not even bigger than Pi/2).



Plotting, results in the following:



Plot[L[p], {p, 0, 1}]



enter image description here



Any ideas? I'm running 11.0.0.0










share|improve this question











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    I get a warning from NIntegrate ("Numerical integration converging too slowly; suspect one of the following: singularity...") when trying to evaluate L for small p.
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    Mar 15 at 20:53












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    @MarcoB I don't get any warnings when evaluating L[1/100]
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I want to determine the arc lenght of a parametric curve $C: {x(t),y(t) } = { cos(t)^p , sin(t)^p }$ with $p$ between $0$ and $1$, and $t$ between $0$ and $pi/2$.



I set up the following function of $p$:



L[p_] :=  ArcLength[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}, 
Method -> {"NIntegrate", MaxRecursion -> 20}]


For $p=1$ we have a quarter of a circle of radius 1 and we know the arc length is equal to $pi/2$. The above function gives the correct result: 1.5708.



For $p$ close to zero, the curve approaches a square, and we know the result should be very close to $2$. However, the function doesn't even come close to it. Evaluating L[1/100] results in 1.30603. Not close to 2 (it's not even bigger than Pi/2).



Plotting, results in the following:



Plot[L[p], {p, 0, 1}]



enter image description here



Any ideas? I'm running 11.0.0.0










share|improve this question











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I want to determine the arc lenght of a parametric curve $C: {x(t),y(t) } = { cos(t)^p , sin(t)^p }$ with $p$ between $0$ and $1$, and $t$ between $0$ and $pi/2$.



I set up the following function of $p$:



L[p_] :=  ArcLength[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}, 
Method -> {"NIntegrate", MaxRecursion -> 20}]


For $p=1$ we have a quarter of a circle of radius 1 and we know the arc length is equal to $pi/2$. The above function gives the correct result: 1.5708.



For $p$ close to zero, the curve approaches a square, and we know the result should be very close to $2$. However, the function doesn't even come close to it. Evaluating L[1/100] results in 1.30603. Not close to 2 (it's not even bigger than Pi/2).



Plotting, results in the following:



Plot[L[p], {p, 0, 1}]



enter image description here



Any ideas? I'm running 11.0.0.0







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@MarcoB I don't get any warnings when evaluating L[1/100]
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Seems to be a precision thing.



L[p_] = {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}

ArcLength[L[1/100], {t, 0, π/2}, WorkingPrecision -> 1000]

1.99447959240474567...





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    I can only provide an alternative to bypass ArcLength.



    The points pts of a quarter circle are scaled such that they lie on the desired curve; afterwards the length of the polygonal line is computed.



    You will still get problems for values of p very close to 0, but at least you may obtain a qualitatively correct plot (so I hope).



    Certainly this method won't provide you with the best possible accuracy. The relative error between the arclength $ell$ of an arc and the length $s$ of a secant is roughly $|ell/s - 1| leq ell^2 , max(|kappa|)$ in the limit of $ell to 0$. Here $kappa$ denotes the curvature of the curve. Since the maximal curvature of the curve goes to $infty$ for $p to infty$, the quality of this approximation will reduce significantly for $p to 0$.



    n = 10000;
    pts = Transpose[{Cos[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]], Sin[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]]}];
    L[p_] := With[{x = pts/Power[Dot[(Abs[pts]^(1/p)), {1., 1.}], p]},
    Total[Sqrt[Dot[Differences[x]^2, {1., 1.}]]]
    ]
    Plot[L[p], {p, 0.001, 1}]


    enter image description here



    Edit



    The ratio behind this is that in contrast to the parameterization



    γ[t_, p_] = {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p};


    the parameterization



    η[t_, p_] = {Cos[t], Sin[t]}/ Power[Cos[t]^(1/p) + Sin[t]^(1/p), p];


    has finite speed which is always helpful for determining the arclength by integration:



    assume = {p > 0, 0 < t < Pi/2};
    speedγ[t_, p_] = Simplify[Sqrt[D[γ[t, p], t].D[γ[t, p], t]], assume];
    speedη[t_, p_] = Simplify[Sqrt[D[η[t, p], t].D[η[t, p], t]], assume];
    Quiet@GraphicsRow[{
    Plot[Evaluate[Table[speedγ[t, 2^-k], {k, 0, 10}]], {t, 0, Pi/2},
    PlotLabel -> "Speed of γ",
    PlotRange -> {0, 10}
    ],
    Plot[Evaluate[Table[speedη[t, 2^-k], {k, 0, 10}]], {t, 0, Pi/2},
    PlotLabel -> "Speed of η",
    PlotRange -> {0, 10}
    ]
    },
    ImageSize -> Large
    ]


    enter image description here



    Whit this parameterization, one can also employ NIntegrate to compute the arclength, at least for not too small p.



    NIntegrate[speedη[t, 1/1000], {t, 0, Pi/2}]



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      Manipulate[ParametricPlot[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}], {p, 0.01, 1}]


      gives this plot at $p=0.01$:



      (An unpreprocessing plot was here.)



      UPDATE:



      p = 0.01; ParametricPlot[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}, Axes -> False, Frame -> True, PlotRange -> {{0, 1.1}, {0, 1.1}}]


      enter image description here



      So yes, the sides are not shrinking, but Mathematica seems to be missing some of the curve ...



      ADDITIONAL UPDATE:



      f[t_][p_] := {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p};
      p = 0.01;
      k = 10^6;
      Show[
      ListLinePlot[Transpose@f[[Pi]/(2 k) Range[0, k]][p], PlotStyle -> Red],
      ListPlot[Transpose@f[[Pi]/(2 k) Range[0, k]][p], PlotStyle -> PointSize[Large]],
      AspectRatio -> 1, Frame -> True, Axes -> False
      ]


      If we sample $t$ with one million equally spaced points, there are big jumps to the first and the last point!



      enter image description here



      Plot[f[10^-q][.01][[2]], {q, 0, 100}, Frame -> True, Axes -> False, FrameLabel -> {"-Log10[t]", "f[[2]]"}]


      This plot shows that we need $t le 10^{-100}$ for the $y$-value of the curve to be less than $approx 0.1$ when $p=.01$.



      enter image description here






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        >but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
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      Seems to be a precision thing.



      L[p_] = {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}

      ArcLength[L[1/100], {t, 0, π/2}, WorkingPrecision -> 1000]

      1.99447959240474567...





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        Seems to be a precision thing.



        L[p_] = {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}

        ArcLength[L[1/100], {t, 0, π/2}, WorkingPrecision -> 1000]

        1.99447959240474567...





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          L[p_] = {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}

          ArcLength[L[1/100], {t, 0, π/2}, WorkingPrecision -> 1000]

          1.99447959240474567...





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          Seems to be a precision thing.



          L[p_] = {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}

          ArcLength[L[1/100], {t, 0, π/2}, WorkingPrecision -> 1000]

          1.99447959240474567...






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              I can only provide an alternative to bypass ArcLength.



              The points pts of a quarter circle are scaled such that they lie on the desired curve; afterwards the length of the polygonal line is computed.



              You will still get problems for values of p very close to 0, but at least you may obtain a qualitatively correct plot (so I hope).



              Certainly this method won't provide you with the best possible accuracy. The relative error between the arclength $ell$ of an arc and the length $s$ of a secant is roughly $|ell/s - 1| leq ell^2 , max(|kappa|)$ in the limit of $ell to 0$. Here $kappa$ denotes the curvature of the curve. Since the maximal curvature of the curve goes to $infty$ for $p to infty$, the quality of this approximation will reduce significantly for $p to 0$.



              n = 10000;
              pts = Transpose[{Cos[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]], Sin[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]]}];
              L[p_] := With[{x = pts/Power[Dot[(Abs[pts]^(1/p)), {1., 1.}], p]},
              Total[Sqrt[Dot[Differences[x]^2, {1., 1.}]]]
              ]
              Plot[L[p], {p, 0.001, 1}]


              enter image description here



              Edit



              The ratio behind this is that in contrast to the parameterization



              γ[t_, p_] = {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p};


              the parameterization



              η[t_, p_] = {Cos[t], Sin[t]}/ Power[Cos[t]^(1/p) + Sin[t]^(1/p), p];


              has finite speed which is always helpful for determining the arclength by integration:



              assume = {p > 0, 0 < t < Pi/2};
              speedγ[t_, p_] = Simplify[Sqrt[D[γ[t, p], t].D[γ[t, p], t]], assume];
              speedη[t_, p_] = Simplify[Sqrt[D[η[t, p], t].D[η[t, p], t]], assume];
              Quiet@GraphicsRow[{
              Plot[Evaluate[Table[speedγ[t, 2^-k], {k, 0, 10}]], {t, 0, Pi/2},
              PlotLabel -> "Speed of γ",
              PlotRange -> {0, 10}
              ],
              Plot[Evaluate[Table[speedη[t, 2^-k], {k, 0, 10}]], {t, 0, Pi/2},
              PlotLabel -> "Speed of η",
              PlotRange -> {0, 10}
              ]
              },
              ImageSize -> Large
              ]


              enter image description here



              Whit this parameterization, one can also employ NIntegrate to compute the arclength, at least for not too small p.



              NIntegrate[speedη[t, 1/1000], {t, 0, Pi/2}]



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                I can only provide an alternative to bypass ArcLength.



                The points pts of a quarter circle are scaled such that they lie on the desired curve; afterwards the length of the polygonal line is computed.



                You will still get problems for values of p very close to 0, but at least you may obtain a qualitatively correct plot (so I hope).



                Certainly this method won't provide you with the best possible accuracy. The relative error between the arclength $ell$ of an arc and the length $s$ of a secant is roughly $|ell/s - 1| leq ell^2 , max(|kappa|)$ in the limit of $ell to 0$. Here $kappa$ denotes the curvature of the curve. Since the maximal curvature of the curve goes to $infty$ for $p to infty$, the quality of this approximation will reduce significantly for $p to 0$.



                n = 10000;
                pts = Transpose[{Cos[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]], Sin[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]]}];
                L[p_] := With[{x = pts/Power[Dot[(Abs[pts]^(1/p)), {1., 1.}], p]},
                Total[Sqrt[Dot[Differences[x]^2, {1., 1.}]]]
                ]
                Plot[L[p], {p, 0.001, 1}]


                enter image description here



                Edit



                The ratio behind this is that in contrast to the parameterization



                γ[t_, p_] = {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p};


                the parameterization



                η[t_, p_] = {Cos[t], Sin[t]}/ Power[Cos[t]^(1/p) + Sin[t]^(1/p), p];


                has finite speed which is always helpful for determining the arclength by integration:



                assume = {p > 0, 0 < t < Pi/2};
                speedγ[t_, p_] = Simplify[Sqrt[D[γ[t, p], t].D[γ[t, p], t]], assume];
                speedη[t_, p_] = Simplify[Sqrt[D[η[t, p], t].D[η[t, p], t]], assume];
                Quiet@GraphicsRow[{
                Plot[Evaluate[Table[speedγ[t, 2^-k], {k, 0, 10}]], {t, 0, Pi/2},
                PlotLabel -> "Speed of γ",
                PlotRange -> {0, 10}
                ],
                Plot[Evaluate[Table[speedη[t, 2^-k], {k, 0, 10}]], {t, 0, Pi/2},
                PlotLabel -> "Speed of η",
                PlotRange -> {0, 10}
                ]
                },
                ImageSize -> Large
                ]


                enter image description here



                Whit this parameterization, one can also employ NIntegrate to compute the arclength, at least for not too small p.



                NIntegrate[speedη[t, 1/1000], {t, 0, Pi/2}]



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                  $begingroup$

                  I can only provide an alternative to bypass ArcLength.



                  The points pts of a quarter circle are scaled such that they lie on the desired curve; afterwards the length of the polygonal line is computed.



                  You will still get problems for values of p very close to 0, but at least you may obtain a qualitatively correct plot (so I hope).



                  Certainly this method won't provide you with the best possible accuracy. The relative error between the arclength $ell$ of an arc and the length $s$ of a secant is roughly $|ell/s - 1| leq ell^2 , max(|kappa|)$ in the limit of $ell to 0$. Here $kappa$ denotes the curvature of the curve. Since the maximal curvature of the curve goes to $infty$ for $p to infty$, the quality of this approximation will reduce significantly for $p to 0$.



                  n = 10000;
                  pts = Transpose[{Cos[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]], Sin[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]]}];
                  L[p_] := With[{x = pts/Power[Dot[(Abs[pts]^(1/p)), {1., 1.}], p]},
                  Total[Sqrt[Dot[Differences[x]^2, {1., 1.}]]]
                  ]
                  Plot[L[p], {p, 0.001, 1}]


                  enter image description here



                  Edit



                  The ratio behind this is that in contrast to the parameterization



                  γ[t_, p_] = {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p};


                  the parameterization



                  η[t_, p_] = {Cos[t], Sin[t]}/ Power[Cos[t]^(1/p) + Sin[t]^(1/p), p];


                  has finite speed which is always helpful for determining the arclength by integration:



                  assume = {p > 0, 0 < t < Pi/2};
                  speedγ[t_, p_] = Simplify[Sqrt[D[γ[t, p], t].D[γ[t, p], t]], assume];
                  speedη[t_, p_] = Simplify[Sqrt[D[η[t, p], t].D[η[t, p], t]], assume];
                  Quiet@GraphicsRow[{
                  Plot[Evaluate[Table[speedγ[t, 2^-k], {k, 0, 10}]], {t, 0, Pi/2},
                  PlotLabel -> "Speed of γ",
                  PlotRange -> {0, 10}
                  ],
                  Plot[Evaluate[Table[speedη[t, 2^-k], {k, 0, 10}]], {t, 0, Pi/2},
                  PlotLabel -> "Speed of η",
                  PlotRange -> {0, 10}
                  ]
                  },
                  ImageSize -> Large
                  ]


                  enter image description here



                  Whit this parameterization, one can also employ NIntegrate to compute the arclength, at least for not too small p.



                  NIntegrate[speedη[t, 1/1000], {t, 0, Pi/2}]



                  2.







                  share|improve this answer











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                  I can only provide an alternative to bypass ArcLength.



                  The points pts of a quarter circle are scaled such that they lie on the desired curve; afterwards the length of the polygonal line is computed.



                  You will still get problems for values of p very close to 0, but at least you may obtain a qualitatively correct plot (so I hope).



                  Certainly this method won't provide you with the best possible accuracy. The relative error between the arclength $ell$ of an arc and the length $s$ of a secant is roughly $|ell/s - 1| leq ell^2 , max(|kappa|)$ in the limit of $ell to 0$. Here $kappa$ denotes the curvature of the curve. Since the maximal curvature of the curve goes to $infty$ for $p to infty$, the quality of this approximation will reduce significantly for $p to 0$.



                  n = 10000;
                  pts = Transpose[{Cos[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]], Sin[Subdivide[0., Pi/2, n]]}];
                  L[p_] := With[{x = pts/Power[Dot[(Abs[pts]^(1/p)), {1., 1.}], p]},
                  Total[Sqrt[Dot[Differences[x]^2, {1., 1.}]]]
                  ]
                  Plot[L[p], {p, 0.001, 1}]


                  enter image description here



                  Edit



                  The ratio behind this is that in contrast to the parameterization



                  γ[t_, p_] = {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p};


                  the parameterization



                  η[t_, p_] = {Cos[t], Sin[t]}/ Power[Cos[t]^(1/p) + Sin[t]^(1/p), p];


                  has finite speed which is always helpful for determining the arclength by integration:



                  assume = {p > 0, 0 < t < Pi/2};
                  speedγ[t_, p_] = Simplify[Sqrt[D[γ[t, p], t].D[γ[t, p], t]], assume];
                  speedη[t_, p_] = Simplify[Sqrt[D[η[t, p], t].D[η[t, p], t]], assume];
                  Quiet@GraphicsRow[{
                  Plot[Evaluate[Table[speedγ[t, 2^-k], {k, 0, 10}]], {t, 0, Pi/2},
                  PlotLabel -> "Speed of γ",
                  PlotRange -> {0, 10}
                  ],
                  Plot[Evaluate[Table[speedη[t, 2^-k], {k, 0, 10}]], {t, 0, Pi/2},
                  PlotLabel -> "Speed of η",
                  PlotRange -> {0, 10}
                  ]
                  },
                  ImageSize -> Large
                  ]


                  enter image description here



                  Whit this parameterization, one can also employ NIntegrate to compute the arclength, at least for not too small p.



                  NIntegrate[speedη[t, 1/1000], {t, 0, Pi/2}]



                  2.








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                  answered Mar 15 at 21:08









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                      $begingroup$

                      Manipulate[ParametricPlot[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}], {p, 0.01, 1}]


                      gives this plot at $p=0.01$:



                      (An unpreprocessing plot was here.)



                      UPDATE:



                      p = 0.01; ParametricPlot[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}, Axes -> False, Frame -> True, PlotRange -> {{0, 1.1}, {0, 1.1}}]


                      enter image description here



                      So yes, the sides are not shrinking, but Mathematica seems to be missing some of the curve ...



                      ADDITIONAL UPDATE:



                      f[t_][p_] := {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p};
                      p = 0.01;
                      k = 10^6;
                      Show[
                      ListLinePlot[Transpose@f[[Pi]/(2 k) Range[0, k]][p], PlotStyle -> Red],
                      ListPlot[Transpose@f[[Pi]/(2 k) Range[0, k]][p], PlotStyle -> PointSize[Large]],
                      AspectRatio -> 1, Frame -> True, Axes -> False
                      ]


                      If we sample $t$ with one million equally spaced points, there are big jumps to the first and the last point!



                      enter image description here



                      Plot[f[10^-q][.01][[2]], {q, 0, 100}, Frame -> True, Axes -> False, FrameLabel -> {"-Log10[t]", "f[[2]]"}]


                      This plot shows that we need $t le 10^{-100}$ for the $y$-value of the curve to be less than $approx 0.1$ when $p=.01$.



                      enter image description here






                      share|improve this answer











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                      • $begingroup$
                        >but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
                        $endgroup$
                        – Ivan
                        Mar 15 at 20:54








                      • 2




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                      • 2




                        $begingroup$
                        @mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Henrik Schumacher
                        Mar 15 at 21:16






                      • 1




                        $begingroup$
                        @Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is the ArcLength[] returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...
                        $endgroup$
                        – mjw
                        Mar 15 at 21:29








                      • 4




                        $begingroup$
                        A downvote doesn't mean that you're a bad person, it means that someone somewhere didn't find your answer useful. It's an unremarkable, ordinary thing that can be allowed to pass without comment.
                        $endgroup$
                        – hobbs
                        Mar 16 at 4:02
















                      3












                      $begingroup$

                      Manipulate[ParametricPlot[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}], {p, 0.01, 1}]


                      gives this plot at $p=0.01$:



                      (An unpreprocessing plot was here.)



                      UPDATE:



                      p = 0.01; ParametricPlot[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}, Axes -> False, Frame -> True, PlotRange -> {{0, 1.1}, {0, 1.1}}]


                      enter image description here



                      So yes, the sides are not shrinking, but Mathematica seems to be missing some of the curve ...



                      ADDITIONAL UPDATE:



                      f[t_][p_] := {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p};
                      p = 0.01;
                      k = 10^6;
                      Show[
                      ListLinePlot[Transpose@f[[Pi]/(2 k) Range[0, k]][p], PlotStyle -> Red],
                      ListPlot[Transpose@f[[Pi]/(2 k) Range[0, k]][p], PlotStyle -> PointSize[Large]],
                      AspectRatio -> 1, Frame -> True, Axes -> False
                      ]


                      If we sample $t$ with one million equally spaced points, there are big jumps to the first and the last point!



                      enter image description here



                      Plot[f[10^-q][.01][[2]], {q, 0, 100}, Frame -> True, Axes -> False, FrameLabel -> {"-Log10[t]", "f[[2]]"}]


                      This plot shows that we need $t le 10^{-100}$ for the $y$-value of the curve to be less than $approx 0.1$ when $p=.01$.



                      enter image description here






                      share|improve this answer











                      $endgroup$













                      • $begingroup$
                        >but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
                        $endgroup$
                        – Ivan
                        Mar 15 at 20:54








                      • 2




                        $begingroup$
                        No, not that desperate ... By the way, you guys are tough! Imagine a classroom where a student gives an answer/suggestion that is not correct. Or a collaboration with somebody making a mistake. Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks. May hurt creativity ... But we will have strictly precise, quality answers!!
                        $endgroup$
                        – mjw
                        Mar 15 at 21:12








                      • 2




                        $begingroup$
                        @mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Henrik Schumacher
                        Mar 15 at 21:16






                      • 1




                        $begingroup$
                        @Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is the ArcLength[] returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...
                        $endgroup$
                        – mjw
                        Mar 15 at 21:29








                      • 4




                        $begingroup$
                        A downvote doesn't mean that you're a bad person, it means that someone somewhere didn't find your answer useful. It's an unremarkable, ordinary thing that can be allowed to pass without comment.
                        $endgroup$
                        – hobbs
                        Mar 16 at 4:02














                      3












                      3








                      3





                      $begingroup$

                      Manipulate[ParametricPlot[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}], {p, 0.01, 1}]


                      gives this plot at $p=0.01$:



                      (An unpreprocessing plot was here.)



                      UPDATE:



                      p = 0.01; ParametricPlot[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}, Axes -> False, Frame -> True, PlotRange -> {{0, 1.1}, {0, 1.1}}]


                      enter image description here



                      So yes, the sides are not shrinking, but Mathematica seems to be missing some of the curve ...



                      ADDITIONAL UPDATE:



                      f[t_][p_] := {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p};
                      p = 0.01;
                      k = 10^6;
                      Show[
                      ListLinePlot[Transpose@f[[Pi]/(2 k) Range[0, k]][p], PlotStyle -> Red],
                      ListPlot[Transpose@f[[Pi]/(2 k) Range[0, k]][p], PlotStyle -> PointSize[Large]],
                      AspectRatio -> 1, Frame -> True, Axes -> False
                      ]


                      If we sample $t$ with one million equally spaced points, there are big jumps to the first and the last point!



                      enter image description here



                      Plot[f[10^-q][.01][[2]], {q, 0, 100}, Frame -> True, Axes -> False, FrameLabel -> {"-Log10[t]", "f[[2]]"}]


                      This plot shows that we need $t le 10^{-100}$ for the $y$-value of the curve to be less than $approx 0.1$ when $p=.01$.



                      enter image description here






                      share|improve this answer











                      $endgroup$



                      Manipulate[ParametricPlot[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}], {p, 0.01, 1}]


                      gives this plot at $p=0.01$:



                      (An unpreprocessing plot was here.)



                      UPDATE:



                      p = 0.01; ParametricPlot[{Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p}, {t, 0, Pi/2}, Axes -> False, Frame -> True, PlotRange -> {{0, 1.1}, {0, 1.1}}]


                      enter image description here



                      So yes, the sides are not shrinking, but Mathematica seems to be missing some of the curve ...



                      ADDITIONAL UPDATE:



                      f[t_][p_] := {Cos[t]^p, Sin[t]^p};
                      p = 0.01;
                      k = 10^6;
                      Show[
                      ListLinePlot[Transpose@f[[Pi]/(2 k) Range[0, k]][p], PlotStyle -> Red],
                      ListPlot[Transpose@f[[Pi]/(2 k) Range[0, k]][p], PlotStyle -> PointSize[Large]],
                      AspectRatio -> 1, Frame -> True, Axes -> False
                      ]


                      If we sample $t$ with one million equally spaced points, there are big jumps to the first and the last point!



                      enter image description here



                      Plot[f[10^-q][.01][[2]], {q, 0, 100}, Frame -> True, Axes -> False, FrameLabel -> {"-Log10[t]", "f[[2]]"}]


                      This plot shows that we need $t le 10^{-100}$ for the $y$-value of the curve to be less than $approx 0.1$ when $p=.01$.



                      enter image description here







                      share|improve this answer














                      share|improve this answer



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                      edited Mar 17 at 5:47

























                      answered Mar 15 at 20:53









                      mjwmjw

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                      • $begingroup$
                        >but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
                        $endgroup$
                        – Ivan
                        Mar 15 at 20:54








                      • 2




                        $begingroup$
                        No, not that desperate ... By the way, you guys are tough! Imagine a classroom where a student gives an answer/suggestion that is not correct. Or a collaboration with somebody making a mistake. Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks. May hurt creativity ... But we will have strictly precise, quality answers!!
                        $endgroup$
                        – mjw
                        Mar 15 at 21:12








                      • 2




                        $begingroup$
                        @mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Henrik Schumacher
                        Mar 15 at 21:16






                      • 1




                        $begingroup$
                        @Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is the ArcLength[] returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...
                        $endgroup$
                        – mjw
                        Mar 15 at 21:29








                      • 4




                        $begingroup$
                        A downvote doesn't mean that you're a bad person, it means that someone somewhere didn't find your answer useful. It's an unremarkable, ordinary thing that can be allowed to pass without comment.
                        $endgroup$
                        – hobbs
                        Mar 16 at 4:02


















                      • $begingroup$
                        >but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
                        $endgroup$
                        – Ivan
                        Mar 15 at 20:54








                      • 2




                        $begingroup$
                        No, not that desperate ... By the way, you guys are tough! Imagine a classroom where a student gives an answer/suggestion that is not correct. Or a collaboration with somebody making a mistake. Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks. May hurt creativity ... But we will have strictly precise, quality answers!!
                        $endgroup$
                        – mjw
                        Mar 15 at 21:12








                      • 2




                        $begingroup$
                        @mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
                        $endgroup$
                        – Henrik Schumacher
                        Mar 15 at 21:16






                      • 1




                        $begingroup$
                        @Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is the ArcLength[] returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...
                        $endgroup$
                        – mjw
                        Mar 15 at 21:29








                      • 4




                        $begingroup$
                        A downvote doesn't mean that you're a bad person, it means that someone somewhere didn't find your answer useful. It's an unremarkable, ordinary thing that can be allowed to pass without comment.
                        $endgroup$
                        – hobbs
                        Mar 16 at 4:02
















                      $begingroup$
                      >but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
                      $endgroup$
                      – Ivan
                      Mar 15 at 20:54






                      $begingroup$
                      >but the sides are shrinking. Not really. Check your plotrange
                      $endgroup$
                      – Ivan
                      Mar 15 at 20:54






                      2




                      2




                      $begingroup$
                      No, not that desperate ... By the way, you guys are tough! Imagine a classroom where a student gives an answer/suggestion that is not correct. Or a collaboration with somebody making a mistake. Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks. May hurt creativity ... But we will have strictly precise, quality answers!!
                      $endgroup$
                      – mjw
                      Mar 15 at 21:12






                      $begingroup$
                      No, not that desperate ... By the way, you guys are tough! Imagine a classroom where a student gives an answer/suggestion that is not correct. Or a collaboration with somebody making a mistake. Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks. May hurt creativity ... But we will have strictly precise, quality answers!!
                      $endgroup$
                      – mjw
                      Mar 15 at 21:12






                      2




                      2




                      $begingroup$
                      @mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Henrik Schumacher
                      Mar 15 at 21:16




                      $begingroup$
                      @mjw "Seems that "Mathematica Stack Exchange" culture does not like people taking risks." To the contrary. I was really surprise that posts in this threads were downvoted so quickly. Downvotes on answers are actually very uncommon on this site.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Henrik Schumacher
                      Mar 15 at 21:16




                      1




                      1




                      $begingroup$
                      @Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is the ArcLength[] returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...
                      $endgroup$
                      – mjw
                      Mar 15 at 21:29






                      $begingroup$
                      @Ivan, yes, point well taken! Could be an artifact. But why is the ArcLength[] returning wrong results? Seems that in both cases Mathematica is undersampling ...
                      $endgroup$
                      – mjw
                      Mar 15 at 21:29






                      4




                      4




                      $begingroup$
                      A downvote doesn't mean that you're a bad person, it means that someone somewhere didn't find your answer useful. It's an unremarkable, ordinary thing that can be allowed to pass without comment.
                      $endgroup$
                      – hobbs
                      Mar 16 at 4:02




                      $begingroup$
                      A downvote doesn't mean that you're a bad person, it means that someone somewhere didn't find your answer useful. It's an unremarkable, ordinary thing that can be allowed to pass without comment.
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