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Why are the books in the Game of Thrones citadel library shelved spine inwards?
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How do they know the title of each book in the citadel library in Game of Thrones if the book's back faces the wall?
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I’m seeing a wall of book spines... admittedly without visible titles, but they’re not stored ‘backwards ‘
– Tetsujin
Feb 25 at 21:13
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I suspect, you can take the book off the otherside of the shelf...
– morbo
Feb 25 at 21:45
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@Tetsujin I'm seeing a wall of book covers, both front and back, with sunken spaces in between them that presumably show the edges of the books' pages. It's especially visible if you look at the second shelf on the left, and look at the tops of the books.
– BrettFromLA
Feb 26 at 1:59
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hmmm... I'm now seeing the equivalent of old woman/young girl... candlestick/lovers. Every time I glance at it the spines invert.
– Tetsujin
Feb 26 at 7:29
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That's the spine of the book facing the back of the shelf, not the cover.
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Feb 26 at 13:42
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How do they know the title of each book in the citadel library in Game of Thrones if the book's back faces the wall?
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I’m seeing a wall of book spines... admittedly without visible titles, but they’re not stored ‘backwards ‘
– Tetsujin
Feb 25 at 21:13
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I suspect, you can take the book off the otherside of the shelf...
– morbo
Feb 25 at 21:45
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@Tetsujin I'm seeing a wall of book covers, both front and back, with sunken spaces in between them that presumably show the edges of the books' pages. It's especially visible if you look at the second shelf on the left, and look at the tops of the books.
– BrettFromLA
Feb 26 at 1:59
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hmmm... I'm now seeing the equivalent of old woman/young girl... candlestick/lovers. Every time I glance at it the spines invert.
– Tetsujin
Feb 26 at 7:29
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That's the spine of the book facing the back of the shelf, not the cover.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 26 at 13:42
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I’m seeing a wall of book spines... admittedly without visible titles, but they’re not stored ‘backwards ‘
– Tetsujin
Feb 25 at 21:13
8
I suspect, you can take the book off the otherside of the shelf...
– morbo
Feb 25 at 21:45
16
@Tetsujin I'm seeing a wall of book covers, both front and back, with sunken spaces in between them that presumably show the edges of the books' pages. It's especially visible if you look at the second shelf on the left, and look at the tops of the books.
– BrettFromLA
Feb 26 at 1:59
6
hmmm... I'm now seeing the equivalent of old woman/young girl... candlestick/lovers. Every time I glance at it the spines invert.
– Tetsujin
Feb 26 at 7:29
7
That's the spine of the book facing the back of the shelf, not the cover.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 26 at 13:42
7
7
I’m seeing a wall of book spines... admittedly without visible titles, but they’re not stored ‘backwards ‘
– Tetsujin
Feb 25 at 21:13
I’m seeing a wall of book spines... admittedly without visible titles, but they’re not stored ‘backwards ‘
– Tetsujin
Feb 25 at 21:13
8
8
I suspect, you can take the book off the otherside of the shelf...
– morbo
Feb 25 at 21:45
I suspect, you can take the book off the otherside of the shelf...
– morbo
Feb 25 at 21:45
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@Tetsujin I'm seeing a wall of book covers, both front and back, with sunken spaces in between them that presumably show the edges of the books' pages. It's especially visible if you look at the second shelf on the left, and look at the tops of the books.
– BrettFromLA
Feb 26 at 1:59
@Tetsujin I'm seeing a wall of book covers, both front and back, with sunken spaces in between them that presumably show the edges of the books' pages. It's especially visible if you look at the second shelf on the left, and look at the tops of the books.
– BrettFromLA
Feb 26 at 1:59
6
6
hmmm... I'm now seeing the equivalent of old woman/young girl... candlestick/lovers. Every time I glance at it the spines invert.
– Tetsujin
Feb 26 at 7:29
hmmm... I'm now seeing the equivalent of old woman/young girl... candlestick/lovers. Every time I glance at it the spines invert.
– Tetsujin
Feb 26 at 7:29
7
7
That's the spine of the book facing the back of the shelf, not the cover.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 26 at 13:42
That's the spine of the book facing the back of the shelf, not the cover.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 26 at 13:42
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Having books with the spine facing out is a relatively recent innovation.
For the record, when you tuck a book away with the title-bearing spine pointing out, you’re carrying on a tradition that began roughly 480 years ago. “The first spine with printing dates from 1535, and it was then that books began to spin into the position we’re familiar with,” says Mari.
But before book, there were scrolls, and that’s where Mari’s story starts.
- Libraries Used to Chain Their Books to Shelves, With the Spines Hidden Away
- Smithsonian
Since Game of thrones is a fantasy and seems to be (comparatively) set in what would have been something close to Earth's "Middle Ages" with knights and kings all warring constantly this seems to be a pretty accurate depiction of a library.
As scrolls gave way to books, new shelves and a new organizational system were in order.
For the next fourteen hundred or so years, books, as Henry Petroski, a professor of civic engineering and history at Duke, writes in The Book on the Bookshelf, were shelved every which way but straight up, spine out. Engravings of private studies show books piled horizontally, standing on the edge opposite their spine (their fore edge), as well as turned fore edge out.
Before the printing press books were ornate constructions, and in comparison to what came after they were both highly valuable and in short supply.
In the Middle Ages, when monasteries were the closest equivalent to a public library, monks kept works in their carrels. To increase circulation, these works were eventually chained to inclined desks, or lecterns, thus giving ownership of a work to a particular lectern rather than a particular monk.
When space got tight the monks moved their books to shelves, but they stacked them with the spines hidden. Which, as you can imagine, would have been quite confusing. The solution, Mari says: “Sometimes an identifying design was drawn across the thick of the pages.”
- Libraries Used to Chain Their Books to Shelves, With the Spines Hidden Away
- Smithsonian
So, to answer your question about how they were identified: there were sometimes identifying markings on "The thick of the pages".
6
Also noteworthy is that since they're chained to the shelf, they cannot easily be reshelved in the wrong order because the chain tells you where it goes, so you can tell which is which based solely on its location.
– Darrel Hoffman
Feb 26 at 14:08
2
see also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chained_library
– Niffler
2 days ago
2
For anybody else with bad eyesight, that sentence says "these works were eventually chained to inclined desks", not "these monks..."
– Bilkokuya
7 hours ago
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Originally the shelf marks and titling of a book was written on its fore-edge, the paper part of the book, not on the back (the spine) the way they are today.
The GOT library is modelled after the chained library of Hereford Cathedral. In that library the books have only shelf marks and they are written on the fore-edge, so the fore-edge is the part of the book facing outwards.
Image shared by Hereford Cathedral's official Twitter account to mark
Book Week 2018
The chaining of books was the most widespread and effective security system in European libraries from the Middle Ages to the 18th century, and Hereford Cathedral’s 17th-century Chained Library is the largest to survive with all its chains, rods and locks intact.
A chain is attached at one end to the front cover of each book; the other end is slotted on to a rod running along the bottom of each shelf. The system allows a book to be taken from the shelf and read at the desk, but not to be removed from the bookcase.
The books are shelved with their foredges, rather than their spines, facing the reader (the wrong way round to us); this allows the book to be lifted down and opened without needing to be turned around – thus avoiding tangling the chain.
Quote from the official Hereford Cathedral's page on the Chained Library
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"The GOT library is modelled after the chained library of Hereford Cathedral." Whilst this seems likely, do you have any evidence to back up such a bold claim?
– TheLethalCarrot
2 days ago
In King Matthias of Hungary's Corvina Library, the book title was most often written on the back cover, but could also appear on the gilded and decorated fore-edge: corvina.hu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/…
– Martha
18 hours ago
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Our eyes are playing tricks on us. We look at these shelves with all the books and our mind is telling us that the books are turned around, when in fact they are representing books the way they were bound in that era.
Book binding has evolved over the years. Modern books have covers that wrap from the front and around one side to the back with pages sewn or glued to the side spine. But years ago, there was no spine. Pages were often tied together with heavy wood or (other material) for front and back covers. (see image below)
When we see the books on the shelves of the Citadel, we "see" them as turned around because that is how we are accustomed to seeing our modern day books (i.e.; no spine = other side of the book). What we are really seeing is a more accurate depiction of a library in that age and time, with no spines at all. Yes, Sam is holding books with a spine. Some books in the library will be older than others. Hence, different binding processes.
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But we do see spines on non-chained books, for example timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/… and imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/… - and there are no bindings like in your photo at the front facing side of the chained books on the shelves
– user568458
yesterday
Perhaps some of the books are being portrayed as "older" than others. This is, after all, a wall of movie props and not the genuine books from the "real" Westeros.
– elbrant
yesterday
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Comparing your image with the one in the question just proves that the books are indeed shelve with the spine hidden, so it's not a visual illusion. Check the other answers.
– Luciano
yesterday
If I were to DV it would be for the reason that you don't attempt to answer the question at all, but just try to find books with no spines at all, so as to get out of the question and into your own rabbithole
– Niffler
21 hours ago
@Luciano Actually, it doesn't. Some of the book props may have been created in more detail. Others not. None of the images represent the library in it's entirety.
– elbrant
21 hours ago
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Having books with the spine facing out is a relatively recent innovation.
For the record, when you tuck a book away with the title-bearing spine pointing out, you’re carrying on a tradition that began roughly 480 years ago. “The first spine with printing dates from 1535, and it was then that books began to spin into the position we’re familiar with,” says Mari.
But before book, there were scrolls, and that’s where Mari’s story starts.
- Libraries Used to Chain Their Books to Shelves, With the Spines Hidden Away
- Smithsonian
Since Game of thrones is a fantasy and seems to be (comparatively) set in what would have been something close to Earth's "Middle Ages" with knights and kings all warring constantly this seems to be a pretty accurate depiction of a library.
As scrolls gave way to books, new shelves and a new organizational system were in order.
For the next fourteen hundred or so years, books, as Henry Petroski, a professor of civic engineering and history at Duke, writes in The Book on the Bookshelf, were shelved every which way but straight up, spine out. Engravings of private studies show books piled horizontally, standing on the edge opposite their spine (their fore edge), as well as turned fore edge out.
Before the printing press books were ornate constructions, and in comparison to what came after they were both highly valuable and in short supply.
In the Middle Ages, when monasteries were the closest equivalent to a public library, monks kept works in their carrels. To increase circulation, these works were eventually chained to inclined desks, or lecterns, thus giving ownership of a work to a particular lectern rather than a particular monk.
When space got tight the monks moved their books to shelves, but they stacked them with the spines hidden. Which, as you can imagine, would have been quite confusing. The solution, Mari says: “Sometimes an identifying design was drawn across the thick of the pages.”
- Libraries Used to Chain Their Books to Shelves, With the Spines Hidden Away
- Smithsonian
So, to answer your question about how they were identified: there were sometimes identifying markings on "The thick of the pages".
6
Also noteworthy is that since they're chained to the shelf, they cannot easily be reshelved in the wrong order because the chain tells you where it goes, so you can tell which is which based solely on its location.
– Darrel Hoffman
Feb 26 at 14:08
2
see also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chained_library
– Niffler
2 days ago
2
For anybody else with bad eyesight, that sentence says "these works were eventually chained to inclined desks", not "these monks..."
– Bilkokuya
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Having books with the spine facing out is a relatively recent innovation.
For the record, when you tuck a book away with the title-bearing spine pointing out, you’re carrying on a tradition that began roughly 480 years ago. “The first spine with printing dates from 1535, and it was then that books began to spin into the position we’re familiar with,” says Mari.
But before book, there were scrolls, and that’s where Mari’s story starts.
- Libraries Used to Chain Their Books to Shelves, With the Spines Hidden Away
- Smithsonian
Since Game of thrones is a fantasy and seems to be (comparatively) set in what would have been something close to Earth's "Middle Ages" with knights and kings all warring constantly this seems to be a pretty accurate depiction of a library.
As scrolls gave way to books, new shelves and a new organizational system were in order.
For the next fourteen hundred or so years, books, as Henry Petroski, a professor of civic engineering and history at Duke, writes in The Book on the Bookshelf, were shelved every which way but straight up, spine out. Engravings of private studies show books piled horizontally, standing on the edge opposite their spine (their fore edge), as well as turned fore edge out.
Before the printing press books were ornate constructions, and in comparison to what came after they were both highly valuable and in short supply.
In the Middle Ages, when monasteries were the closest equivalent to a public library, monks kept works in their carrels. To increase circulation, these works were eventually chained to inclined desks, or lecterns, thus giving ownership of a work to a particular lectern rather than a particular monk.
When space got tight the monks moved their books to shelves, but they stacked them with the spines hidden. Which, as you can imagine, would have been quite confusing. The solution, Mari says: “Sometimes an identifying design was drawn across the thick of the pages.”
- Libraries Used to Chain Their Books to Shelves, With the Spines Hidden Away
- Smithsonian
So, to answer your question about how they were identified: there were sometimes identifying markings on "The thick of the pages".
6
Also noteworthy is that since they're chained to the shelf, they cannot easily be reshelved in the wrong order because the chain tells you where it goes, so you can tell which is which based solely on its location.
– Darrel Hoffman
Feb 26 at 14:08
2
see also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chained_library
– Niffler
2 days ago
2
For anybody else with bad eyesight, that sentence says "these works were eventually chained to inclined desks", not "these monks..."
– Bilkokuya
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Having books with the spine facing out is a relatively recent innovation.
For the record, when you tuck a book away with the title-bearing spine pointing out, you’re carrying on a tradition that began roughly 480 years ago. “The first spine with printing dates from 1535, and it was then that books began to spin into the position we’re familiar with,” says Mari.
But before book, there were scrolls, and that’s where Mari’s story starts.
- Libraries Used to Chain Their Books to Shelves, With the Spines Hidden Away
- Smithsonian
Since Game of thrones is a fantasy and seems to be (comparatively) set in what would have been something close to Earth's "Middle Ages" with knights and kings all warring constantly this seems to be a pretty accurate depiction of a library.
As scrolls gave way to books, new shelves and a new organizational system were in order.
For the next fourteen hundred or so years, books, as Henry Petroski, a professor of civic engineering and history at Duke, writes in The Book on the Bookshelf, were shelved every which way but straight up, spine out. Engravings of private studies show books piled horizontally, standing on the edge opposite their spine (their fore edge), as well as turned fore edge out.
Before the printing press books were ornate constructions, and in comparison to what came after they were both highly valuable and in short supply.
In the Middle Ages, when monasteries were the closest equivalent to a public library, monks kept works in their carrels. To increase circulation, these works were eventually chained to inclined desks, or lecterns, thus giving ownership of a work to a particular lectern rather than a particular monk.
When space got tight the monks moved their books to shelves, but they stacked them with the spines hidden. Which, as you can imagine, would have been quite confusing. The solution, Mari says: “Sometimes an identifying design was drawn across the thick of the pages.”
- Libraries Used to Chain Their Books to Shelves, With the Spines Hidden Away
- Smithsonian
So, to answer your question about how they were identified: there were sometimes identifying markings on "The thick of the pages".
Having books with the spine facing out is a relatively recent innovation.
For the record, when you tuck a book away with the title-bearing spine pointing out, you’re carrying on a tradition that began roughly 480 years ago. “The first spine with printing dates from 1535, and it was then that books began to spin into the position we’re familiar with,” says Mari.
But before book, there were scrolls, and that’s where Mari’s story starts.
- Libraries Used to Chain Their Books to Shelves, With the Spines Hidden Away
- Smithsonian
Since Game of thrones is a fantasy and seems to be (comparatively) set in what would have been something close to Earth's "Middle Ages" with knights and kings all warring constantly this seems to be a pretty accurate depiction of a library.
As scrolls gave way to books, new shelves and a new organizational system were in order.
For the next fourteen hundred or so years, books, as Henry Petroski, a professor of civic engineering and history at Duke, writes in The Book on the Bookshelf, were shelved every which way but straight up, spine out. Engravings of private studies show books piled horizontally, standing on the edge opposite their spine (their fore edge), as well as turned fore edge out.
Before the printing press books were ornate constructions, and in comparison to what came after they were both highly valuable and in short supply.
In the Middle Ages, when monasteries were the closest equivalent to a public library, monks kept works in their carrels. To increase circulation, these works were eventually chained to inclined desks, or lecterns, thus giving ownership of a work to a particular lectern rather than a particular monk.
When space got tight the monks moved their books to shelves, but they stacked them with the spines hidden. Which, as you can imagine, would have been quite confusing. The solution, Mari says: “Sometimes an identifying design was drawn across the thick of the pages.”
- Libraries Used to Chain Their Books to Shelves, With the Spines Hidden Away
- Smithsonian
So, to answer your question about how they were identified: there were sometimes identifying markings on "The thick of the pages".
answered Feb 25 at 22:41
NifflerNiffler
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Also noteworthy is that since they're chained to the shelf, they cannot easily be reshelved in the wrong order because the chain tells you where it goes, so you can tell which is which based solely on its location.
– Darrel Hoffman
Feb 26 at 14:08
2
see also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chained_library
– Niffler
2 days ago
2
For anybody else with bad eyesight, that sentence says "these works were eventually chained to inclined desks", not "these monks..."
– Bilkokuya
7 hours ago
add a comment |
6
Also noteworthy is that since they're chained to the shelf, they cannot easily be reshelved in the wrong order because the chain tells you where it goes, so you can tell which is which based solely on its location.
– Darrel Hoffman
Feb 26 at 14:08
2
see also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chained_library
– Niffler
2 days ago
2
For anybody else with bad eyesight, that sentence says "these works were eventually chained to inclined desks", not "these monks..."
– Bilkokuya
7 hours ago
6
6
Also noteworthy is that since they're chained to the shelf, they cannot easily be reshelved in the wrong order because the chain tells you where it goes, so you can tell which is which based solely on its location.
– Darrel Hoffman
Feb 26 at 14:08
Also noteworthy is that since they're chained to the shelf, they cannot easily be reshelved in the wrong order because the chain tells you where it goes, so you can tell which is which based solely on its location.
– Darrel Hoffman
Feb 26 at 14:08
2
2
see also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chained_library
– Niffler
2 days ago
see also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chained_library
– Niffler
2 days ago
2
2
For anybody else with bad eyesight, that sentence says "these works were eventually chained to inclined desks", not "these monks..."
– Bilkokuya
7 hours ago
For anybody else with bad eyesight, that sentence says "these works were eventually chained to inclined desks", not "these monks..."
– Bilkokuya
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Originally the shelf marks and titling of a book was written on its fore-edge, the paper part of the book, not on the back (the spine) the way they are today.
The GOT library is modelled after the chained library of Hereford Cathedral. In that library the books have only shelf marks and they are written on the fore-edge, so the fore-edge is the part of the book facing outwards.
Image shared by Hereford Cathedral's official Twitter account to mark
Book Week 2018
The chaining of books was the most widespread and effective security system in European libraries from the Middle Ages to the 18th century, and Hereford Cathedral’s 17th-century Chained Library is the largest to survive with all its chains, rods and locks intact.
A chain is attached at one end to the front cover of each book; the other end is slotted on to a rod running along the bottom of each shelf. The system allows a book to be taken from the shelf and read at the desk, but not to be removed from the bookcase.
The books are shelved with their foredges, rather than their spines, facing the reader (the wrong way round to us); this allows the book to be lifted down and opened without needing to be turned around – thus avoiding tangling the chain.
Quote from the official Hereford Cathedral's page on the Chained Library
5
"The GOT library is modelled after the chained library of Hereford Cathedral." Whilst this seems likely, do you have any evidence to back up such a bold claim?
– TheLethalCarrot
2 days ago
In King Matthias of Hungary's Corvina Library, the book title was most often written on the back cover, but could also appear on the gilded and decorated fore-edge: corvina.hu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/…
– Martha
18 hours ago
add a comment |
Originally the shelf marks and titling of a book was written on its fore-edge, the paper part of the book, not on the back (the spine) the way they are today.
The GOT library is modelled after the chained library of Hereford Cathedral. In that library the books have only shelf marks and they are written on the fore-edge, so the fore-edge is the part of the book facing outwards.
Image shared by Hereford Cathedral's official Twitter account to mark
Book Week 2018
The chaining of books was the most widespread and effective security system in European libraries from the Middle Ages to the 18th century, and Hereford Cathedral’s 17th-century Chained Library is the largest to survive with all its chains, rods and locks intact.
A chain is attached at one end to the front cover of each book; the other end is slotted on to a rod running along the bottom of each shelf. The system allows a book to be taken from the shelf and read at the desk, but not to be removed from the bookcase.
The books are shelved with their foredges, rather than their spines, facing the reader (the wrong way round to us); this allows the book to be lifted down and opened without needing to be turned around – thus avoiding tangling the chain.
Quote from the official Hereford Cathedral's page on the Chained Library
5
"The GOT library is modelled after the chained library of Hereford Cathedral." Whilst this seems likely, do you have any evidence to back up such a bold claim?
– TheLethalCarrot
2 days ago
In King Matthias of Hungary's Corvina Library, the book title was most often written on the back cover, but could also appear on the gilded and decorated fore-edge: corvina.hu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/…
– Martha
18 hours ago
add a comment |
Originally the shelf marks and titling of a book was written on its fore-edge, the paper part of the book, not on the back (the spine) the way they are today.
The GOT library is modelled after the chained library of Hereford Cathedral. In that library the books have only shelf marks and they are written on the fore-edge, so the fore-edge is the part of the book facing outwards.
Image shared by Hereford Cathedral's official Twitter account to mark
Book Week 2018
The chaining of books was the most widespread and effective security system in European libraries from the Middle Ages to the 18th century, and Hereford Cathedral’s 17th-century Chained Library is the largest to survive with all its chains, rods and locks intact.
A chain is attached at one end to the front cover of each book; the other end is slotted on to a rod running along the bottom of each shelf. The system allows a book to be taken from the shelf and read at the desk, but not to be removed from the bookcase.
The books are shelved with their foredges, rather than their spines, facing the reader (the wrong way round to us); this allows the book to be lifted down and opened without needing to be turned around – thus avoiding tangling the chain.
Quote from the official Hereford Cathedral's page on the Chained Library
Originally the shelf marks and titling of a book was written on its fore-edge, the paper part of the book, not on the back (the spine) the way they are today.
The GOT library is modelled after the chained library of Hereford Cathedral. In that library the books have only shelf marks and they are written on the fore-edge, so the fore-edge is the part of the book facing outwards.
Image shared by Hereford Cathedral's official Twitter account to mark
Book Week 2018
The chaining of books was the most widespread and effective security system in European libraries from the Middle Ages to the 18th century, and Hereford Cathedral’s 17th-century Chained Library is the largest to survive with all its chains, rods and locks intact.
A chain is attached at one end to the front cover of each book; the other end is slotted on to a rod running along the bottom of each shelf. The system allows a book to be taken from the shelf and read at the desk, but not to be removed from the bookcase.
The books are shelved with their foredges, rather than their spines, facing the reader (the wrong way round to us); this allows the book to be lifted down and opened without needing to be turned around – thus avoiding tangling the chain.
Quote from the official Hereford Cathedral's page on the Chained Library
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"The GOT library is modelled after the chained library of Hereford Cathedral." Whilst this seems likely, do you have any evidence to back up such a bold claim?
– TheLethalCarrot
2 days ago
In King Matthias of Hungary's Corvina Library, the book title was most often written on the back cover, but could also appear on the gilded and decorated fore-edge: corvina.hu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/…
– Martha
18 hours ago
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"The GOT library is modelled after the chained library of Hereford Cathedral." Whilst this seems likely, do you have any evidence to back up such a bold claim?
– TheLethalCarrot
2 days ago
In King Matthias of Hungary's Corvina Library, the book title was most often written on the back cover, but could also appear on the gilded and decorated fore-edge: corvina.hu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/…
– Martha
18 hours ago
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"The GOT library is modelled after the chained library of Hereford Cathedral." Whilst this seems likely, do you have any evidence to back up such a bold claim?
– TheLethalCarrot
2 days ago
"The GOT library is modelled after the chained library of Hereford Cathedral." Whilst this seems likely, do you have any evidence to back up such a bold claim?
– TheLethalCarrot
2 days ago
In King Matthias of Hungary's Corvina Library, the book title was most often written on the back cover, but could also appear on the gilded and decorated fore-edge: corvina.hu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/…
– Martha
18 hours ago
In King Matthias of Hungary's Corvina Library, the book title was most often written on the back cover, but could also appear on the gilded and decorated fore-edge: corvina.hu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/…
– Martha
18 hours ago
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Our eyes are playing tricks on us. We look at these shelves with all the books and our mind is telling us that the books are turned around, when in fact they are representing books the way they were bound in that era.
Book binding has evolved over the years. Modern books have covers that wrap from the front and around one side to the back with pages sewn or glued to the side spine. But years ago, there was no spine. Pages were often tied together with heavy wood or (other material) for front and back covers. (see image below)
When we see the books on the shelves of the Citadel, we "see" them as turned around because that is how we are accustomed to seeing our modern day books (i.e.; no spine = other side of the book). What we are really seeing is a more accurate depiction of a library in that age and time, with no spines at all. Yes, Sam is holding books with a spine. Some books in the library will be older than others. Hence, different binding processes.
Wikipedia Bookbinding
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But we do see spines on non-chained books, for example timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/… and imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/… - and there are no bindings like in your photo at the front facing side of the chained books on the shelves
– user568458
yesterday
Perhaps some of the books are being portrayed as "older" than others. This is, after all, a wall of movie props and not the genuine books from the "real" Westeros.
– elbrant
yesterday
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Comparing your image with the one in the question just proves that the books are indeed shelve with the spine hidden, so it's not a visual illusion. Check the other answers.
– Luciano
yesterday
If I were to DV it would be for the reason that you don't attempt to answer the question at all, but just try to find books with no spines at all, so as to get out of the question and into your own rabbithole
– Niffler
21 hours ago
@Luciano Actually, it doesn't. Some of the book props may have been created in more detail. Others not. None of the images represent the library in it's entirety.
– elbrant
21 hours ago
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Our eyes are playing tricks on us. We look at these shelves with all the books and our mind is telling us that the books are turned around, when in fact they are representing books the way they were bound in that era.
Book binding has evolved over the years. Modern books have covers that wrap from the front and around one side to the back with pages sewn or glued to the side spine. But years ago, there was no spine. Pages were often tied together with heavy wood or (other material) for front and back covers. (see image below)
When we see the books on the shelves of the Citadel, we "see" them as turned around because that is how we are accustomed to seeing our modern day books (i.e.; no spine = other side of the book). What we are really seeing is a more accurate depiction of a library in that age and time, with no spines at all. Yes, Sam is holding books with a spine. Some books in the library will be older than others. Hence, different binding processes.
Wikipedia Bookbinding
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But we do see spines on non-chained books, for example timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/… and imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/… - and there are no bindings like in your photo at the front facing side of the chained books on the shelves
– user568458
yesterday
Perhaps some of the books are being portrayed as "older" than others. This is, after all, a wall of movie props and not the genuine books from the "real" Westeros.
– elbrant
yesterday
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Comparing your image with the one in the question just proves that the books are indeed shelve with the spine hidden, so it's not a visual illusion. Check the other answers.
– Luciano
yesterday
If I were to DV it would be for the reason that you don't attempt to answer the question at all, but just try to find books with no spines at all, so as to get out of the question and into your own rabbithole
– Niffler
21 hours ago
@Luciano Actually, it doesn't. Some of the book props may have been created in more detail. Others not. None of the images represent the library in it's entirety.
– elbrant
21 hours ago
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Our eyes are playing tricks on us. We look at these shelves with all the books and our mind is telling us that the books are turned around, when in fact they are representing books the way they were bound in that era.
Book binding has evolved over the years. Modern books have covers that wrap from the front and around one side to the back with pages sewn or glued to the side spine. But years ago, there was no spine. Pages were often tied together with heavy wood or (other material) for front and back covers. (see image below)
When we see the books on the shelves of the Citadel, we "see" them as turned around because that is how we are accustomed to seeing our modern day books (i.e.; no spine = other side of the book). What we are really seeing is a more accurate depiction of a library in that age and time, with no spines at all. Yes, Sam is holding books with a spine. Some books in the library will be older than others. Hence, different binding processes.
Wikipedia Bookbinding
Our eyes are playing tricks on us. We look at these shelves with all the books and our mind is telling us that the books are turned around, when in fact they are representing books the way they were bound in that era.
Book binding has evolved over the years. Modern books have covers that wrap from the front and around one side to the back with pages sewn or glued to the side spine. But years ago, there was no spine. Pages were often tied together with heavy wood or (other material) for front and back covers. (see image below)
When we see the books on the shelves of the Citadel, we "see" them as turned around because that is how we are accustomed to seeing our modern day books (i.e.; no spine = other side of the book). What we are really seeing is a more accurate depiction of a library in that age and time, with no spines at all. Yes, Sam is holding books with a spine. Some books in the library will be older than others. Hence, different binding processes.
Wikipedia Bookbinding
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But we do see spines on non-chained books, for example timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/… and imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/… - and there are no bindings like in your photo at the front facing side of the chained books on the shelves
– user568458
yesterday
Perhaps some of the books are being portrayed as "older" than others. This is, after all, a wall of movie props and not the genuine books from the "real" Westeros.
– elbrant
yesterday
2
Comparing your image with the one in the question just proves that the books are indeed shelve with the spine hidden, so it's not a visual illusion. Check the other answers.
– Luciano
yesterday
If I were to DV it would be for the reason that you don't attempt to answer the question at all, but just try to find books with no spines at all, so as to get out of the question and into your own rabbithole
– Niffler
21 hours ago
@Luciano Actually, it doesn't. Some of the book props may have been created in more detail. Others not. None of the images represent the library in it's entirety.
– elbrant
21 hours ago
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But we do see spines on non-chained books, for example timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/… and imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/… - and there are no bindings like in your photo at the front facing side of the chained books on the shelves
– user568458
yesterday
Perhaps some of the books are being portrayed as "older" than others. This is, after all, a wall of movie props and not the genuine books from the "real" Westeros.
– elbrant
yesterday
2
Comparing your image with the one in the question just proves that the books are indeed shelve with the spine hidden, so it's not a visual illusion. Check the other answers.
– Luciano
yesterday
If I were to DV it would be for the reason that you don't attempt to answer the question at all, but just try to find books with no spines at all, so as to get out of the question and into your own rabbithole
– Niffler
21 hours ago
@Luciano Actually, it doesn't. Some of the book props may have been created in more detail. Others not. None of the images represent the library in it's entirety.
– elbrant
21 hours ago
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But we do see spines on non-chained books, for example timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/… and imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/… - and there are no bindings like in your photo at the front facing side of the chained books on the shelves
– user568458
yesterday
But we do see spines on non-chained books, for example timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/… and imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/… - and there are no bindings like in your photo at the front facing side of the chained books on the shelves
– user568458
yesterday
Perhaps some of the books are being portrayed as "older" than others. This is, after all, a wall of movie props and not the genuine books from the "real" Westeros.
– elbrant
yesterday
Perhaps some of the books are being portrayed as "older" than others. This is, after all, a wall of movie props and not the genuine books from the "real" Westeros.
– elbrant
yesterday
2
2
Comparing your image with the one in the question just proves that the books are indeed shelve with the spine hidden, so it's not a visual illusion. Check the other answers.
– Luciano
yesterday
Comparing your image with the one in the question just proves that the books are indeed shelve with the spine hidden, so it's not a visual illusion. Check the other answers.
– Luciano
yesterday
If I were to DV it would be for the reason that you don't attempt to answer the question at all, but just try to find books with no spines at all, so as to get out of the question and into your own rabbithole
– Niffler
21 hours ago
If I were to DV it would be for the reason that you don't attempt to answer the question at all, but just try to find books with no spines at all, so as to get out of the question and into your own rabbithole
– Niffler
21 hours ago
@Luciano Actually, it doesn't. Some of the book props may have been created in more detail. Others not. None of the images represent the library in it's entirety.
– elbrant
21 hours ago
@Luciano Actually, it doesn't. Some of the book props may have been created in more detail. Others not. None of the images represent the library in it's entirety.
– elbrant
21 hours ago
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I’m seeing a wall of book spines... admittedly without visible titles, but they’re not stored ‘backwards ‘
– Tetsujin
Feb 25 at 21:13
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I suspect, you can take the book off the otherside of the shelf...
– morbo
Feb 25 at 21:45
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@Tetsujin I'm seeing a wall of book covers, both front and back, with sunken spaces in between them that presumably show the edges of the books' pages. It's especially visible if you look at the second shelf on the left, and look at the tops of the books.
– BrettFromLA
Feb 26 at 1:59
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hmmm... I'm now seeing the equivalent of old woman/young girl... candlestick/lovers. Every time I glance at it the spines invert.
– Tetsujin
Feb 26 at 7:29
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That's the spine of the book facing the back of the shelf, not the cover.
– Nuclear Wang
Feb 26 at 13:42