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Intern applicant asking for compensation equivalent to that of permanent employee
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A company posted a requirement for an internship position for 3 months. They got an application for the same but during the interview it was found that the applicant already is well versed with the roles and responsibilities of that position.
Now he is negotiating that he should be compensated a higher salary since he is not getting to learn anything new but he is going to do the same job he has done before at a different firm. Is this behavior professional and should HR offer a higher salary to the candidate?
When asked why did he apply for intern position he said because it's required by the institute where he has enrolled for post graduate program to complete 3 months internship.
job-search internship india compensation
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A company posted a requirement for an internship position for 3 months. They got an application for the same but during the interview it was found that the applicant already is well versed with the roles and responsibilities of that position.
Now he is negotiating that he should be compensated a higher salary since he is not getting to learn anything new but he is going to do the same job he has done before at a different firm. Is this behavior professional and should HR offer a higher salary to the candidate?
When asked why did he apply for intern position he said because it's required by the institute where he has enrolled for post graduate program to complete 3 months internship.
job-search internship india compensation
edited 12 hours ago
Søren D. Ptæus
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asked 23 hours ago
newguynewguy
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What does your company hope to gain by offering the internship? (usually you are looking for long term recruits, right?)
– P. Hopkinson
20 hours ago
26
You may be stuck on "We wanted an intern. Is this an intern?" when you should be thinking about what the company actually wanted an intern for.
– JollyJoker
19 hours ago
2
@P.Hopkinson Yes, but as he is in middle of his post graduation course he won't be able to continue after 3 months to work.
– newguy
19 hours ago
15
Sounds like he's applying for a temporary position and not an internship, to me.
– Phil N DeBlanc
18 hours ago
4
Just move on to the next intern that will work for the stated compensation.
– Joe Strazzere
17 hours ago
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show 8 more comments
A company posted a requirement for an internship position for 3 months. They got an application for the same but during the interview it was found that the applicant already is well versed with the roles and responsibilities of that position.
Now he is negotiating that he should be compensated a higher salary since he is not getting to learn anything new but he is going to do the same job he has done before at a different firm. Is this behavior professional and should HR offer a higher salary to the candidate?
When asked why did he apply for intern position he said because it's required by the institute where he has enrolled for post graduate program to complete 3 months internship.
job-search internship india compensation
edited 12 hours ago
Søren D. Ptæus
29339
asked 23 hours ago
newguynewguy
2721313
A company posted a requirement for an internship position for 3 months. They got an application for the same but during the interview it was found that the applicant already is well versed with the roles and responsibilities of that position.
Now he is negotiating that he should be compensated a higher salary since he is not getting to learn anything new but he is going to do the same job he has done before at a different firm. Is this behavior professional and should HR offer a higher salary to the candidate?
When asked why did he apply for intern position he said because it's required by the institute where he has enrolled for post graduate program to complete 3 months internship.
job-search internship india compensation
job-search internship india compensation
edited 12 hours ago
Søren D. Ptæus
29339
asked 23 hours ago
newguynewguy
2721313
edited 12 hours ago
Søren D. Ptæus
29339
asked 23 hours ago
newguynewguy
2721313
edited 12 hours ago
Søren D. Ptæus
29339
edited 12 hours ago
Søren D. Ptæus
29339
edited 12 hours ago
Søren D. Ptæus
29339
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asked 23 hours ago
newguynewguy
2721313
asked 23 hours ago
newguynewguy
2721313
asked 23 hours ago
newguynewguy
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What does your company hope to gain by offering the internship? (usually you are looking for long term recruits, right?)
– P. Hopkinson
20 hours ago
26
You may be stuck on "We wanted an intern. Is this an intern?" when you should be thinking about what the company actually wanted an intern for.
– JollyJoker
19 hours ago
2
@P.Hopkinson Yes, but as he is in middle of his post graduation course he won't be able to continue after 3 months to work.
– newguy
19 hours ago
15
Sounds like he's applying for a temporary position and not an internship, to me.
– Phil N DeBlanc
18 hours ago
4
Just move on to the next intern that will work for the stated compensation.
– Joe Strazzere
17 hours ago
|
show 8 more comments
41
What does your company hope to gain by offering the internship? (usually you are looking for long term recruits, right?)
– P. Hopkinson
20 hours ago
26
You may be stuck on "We wanted an intern. Is this an intern?" when you should be thinking about what the company actually wanted an intern for.
– JollyJoker
19 hours ago
2
@P.Hopkinson Yes, but as he is in middle of his post graduation course he won't be able to continue after 3 months to work.
– newguy
19 hours ago
15
Sounds like he's applying for a temporary position and not an internship, to me.
– Phil N DeBlanc
18 hours ago
4
Just move on to the next intern that will work for the stated compensation.
– Joe Strazzere
17 hours ago
41
41
What does your company hope to gain by offering the internship? (usually you are looking for long term recruits, right?)
– P. Hopkinson
20 hours ago
What does your company hope to gain by offering the internship? (usually you are looking for long term recruits, right?)
– P. Hopkinson
20 hours ago
26
26
You may be stuck on "We wanted an intern. Is this an intern?" when you should be thinking about what the company actually wanted an intern for.
– JollyJoker
19 hours ago
You may be stuck on "We wanted an intern. Is this an intern?" when you should be thinking about what the company actually wanted an intern for.
– JollyJoker
19 hours ago
2
2
@P.Hopkinson Yes, but as he is in middle of his post graduation course he won't be able to continue after 3 months to work.
– newguy
19 hours ago
@P.Hopkinson Yes, but as he is in middle of his post graduation course he won't be able to continue after 3 months to work.
– newguy
19 hours ago
15
15
Sounds like he's applying for a temporary position and not an internship, to me.
– Phil N DeBlanc
18 hours ago
Sounds like he's applying for a temporary position and not an internship, to me.
– Phil N DeBlanc
18 hours ago
4
4
Just move on to the next intern that will work for the stated compensation.
– Joe Strazzere
17 hours ago
Just move on to the next intern that will work for the stated compensation.
– Joe Strazzere
17 hours ago
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Short Answer: If you have budget and requirement for an internship, then that is on offer. This person can choose to take that or not.
If the role you have available is for an intern, then that is what you are offering. The person is applying for an internship as this is a requirement for their course.
In the end, you have a role you are offering, and they have an expectation of what they would like to be paid for. The fact is that they are still an intern, so they have to decide if they are going to accept an offer at that level.
It really is up to you if you wish to pay them more for their internship, but I would make it clear that the role on offer is an internship (which they need to complete requirements for their studies) and there is a rate for that role.
answered 23 hours ago
Jane S♦Jane S
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I'm also a fan of equal pay for equal work. If the person is good, and they'll want to hire them later, then it makes even more sense to pay them equally since it puts the company in a positive light.
– Malisbad
23 hours ago
4
@Malisbad I don't disagree, and as in my answer, it is the prerogative of the employer to make that determination. However, if the company had the budget and requirement for an intern, then they have every right to offer it. The prospective employee/intern then also has the right to disagree and not accept the offer. Remember that the role is meant to be a three-month intern to allow the intern to cover the requirements for their qualification, which was clearly what was discussed with the OP and their firm prior to the candidate requesting higher.
– Jane S♦
22 hours ago
23
@Malisbad They applied for an internship, not for a full job. If the candidate is overqualified, that's their problem - a former Michelin Star chef who goes back to University and starts working part-time in a Fast Food restaurant can't expect to demand the same pay they used to have.
– Chronocidal
18 hours ago
12
@Chronocidal You are ofcourse correct, but: If he is able to, and can be utilized as a full employee it is reasonably fair to reimburse him as one. Interns are paid less mainly because the equilibrium is established on them gaining skills and experience in lieu of payment. If there is no such gain, then money will have to make up for it. Or he is deemed overqualified and the job given to someone who does not have the skills and experience.
– Stian Yttervik
18 hours ago
5
@luk32 At least in the UK, there would be some conflicts of requirements and interest there. If you hire a contractor, you provide no training, opportunity to learn how the entire company functions, sick pay (if it arises during the "intern's" employment), etc. If the internship is required by an educational institution, some of those may be expected parts of the internship package. Putting together a one-off package to keep everyone happy for only three months duration isn't going to be worth the hassle. Either the OP applicant takes the standard internship package or goes elsewhere, IMO.
– alephzero
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It's really impossible to answer your question without more details.
The pay you can offer them should reflect:
- how much he is worth to you. Is he worth to you more than "normal" interns are? Would you be able to make use of his more developed skills?
- your budgetary constraints. Can you afford to have a new employee?
answered 23 hours ago
BigMadAndyBigMadAndy
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An internship is not the same as a full-time position with less pay.
An intern:
- little to no responsibility beyond doing the tasks given to them
- learns on the job
- is limited form a few month to a year
A full-term:
- takes ownership of their work from beginning to end
- after on-boarding is done doesn't need to relearn their core function
- stays with the company often for more than a year
A intern should be able to expect some hand holding and ideally to see new aspects of the job he or she is growing into.
An intern position (if done right) takes away time from a more senior employee to onboard and all that specific knowledge leaves the company after 3 months.
For a certain projects interns are a really good fit: e.g. write some stand alone piece of code that is used only for short period of time
Such projects often only get funded, because they can be done by an intern.
Paying an intern a full-time salary makes your "intern projects" more expensive.
So in the end it is not just about the skill set of the candidate it is about what is adequate for the role. There might be a little bit of wiggle room, but if you are looking for an intern for an intern project you really shouldn't pay a full time salary for no reason.
answered 21 hours ago
HelenaHelena
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Although company and candidate connected with one another through an opening labeled as an intern position, that does not mean that if the candidate does take a short term role, they will necessarily be functioning in the capacity of an in intern. The opening of the question already recognized that they have more capability than a typical intern, treating them like one would be a mistake, so this is really about if the company and candidate can agree on what would functionally be another type of role.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
1
A temporary 3-month employee that is being evaluated for an intership should definitely be treated like an intern; there's no guarantee they'll ever be anything more. 3 months isn't even enough time for an experienced engineer to get fully up to speed. Pursuing a different arrangement might be reasonable if the applicant here didn't specifically need a short-term internship, but otherwise they should both accept what it is. I've done such an "internship" myself.
– Matthew Read
11 hours ago
On the contrary, when a person is actually matched to a defined problem, it's fairly normal to make useful contributions within the first week and not at all unusual to do so on the first day - if this does not happen, likely the task was misidentified or the wrong person was chosen. And that is part of the key contrast between someone who has the skills to do the work, as this candidate may, vs someone who needs guidance in developing those skills, as a stereotypical intern would.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
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You should really evaluate what the company needs and what he can offer.
Internships are usually already an investment which cost the company more than they bring initially. You have a lot of time invested in onboarding, mentoring, HR, hardware/software, tax-forms and so on. Compared to the amount of work the intern does this hardly balances out. The prospect of the intern becoming a fulltime employee after the internship (and maybe good PR) is usually what justifies the investment.
According to your comment the post-grad student has no inention of bein employed at your company after the 3 month internship. And he wants to be payed a lot more. Companies usually don't hire full time employees for a period as short as 3 months, because the expenditure for a new employee are not amortized after such a short period.
This all would likely lead to the conclusion of not hiring him for more than the usual internship salary, if even hiring him at all for an internship.
answered 19 hours ago
FalcoFalco
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The comment only says that the candidate won't be able to continue beyond three months. But most interns cannot immediately continue to a full time role, they go back to school for additional semesters or even years. Internship based recruiting is a "long game" and there is not specific evidence that is not viable here, though a more advanced degree tends to put people into different categories of recruitment. In terms of "the expenditure for new employees" there are plenty of situations where those with the right skills (which this candidate may have) can generate value from day 1.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
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An intern who you know will only be there for 3 months is not worth as much as a full-time employee.
The value of an employee isn't just the work that they complete in a particular time period. It's also the anticipation that they will continue to learn and grow and add more value to the company over time. Personally, my second 3 months with the company produced a ton more value than my first 3 months, and my most recent 3 months was a lot more valuable than either of them. That's because I've learned a ton about the job since I started, and because I've also learned a lot about the company and how to work here.
Even if an intern produced the same amount of work in 3 months as a full time employee would have, they still aren't as valuable to the company as a full-time employee who will continue to learn and grow from there.
answered 13 hours ago
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Short Answer: If you have budget and requirement for an internship, then that is on offer. This person can choose to take that or not.
If the role you have available is for an intern, then that is what you are offering. The person is applying for an internship as this is a requirement for their course.
In the end, you have a role you are offering, and they have an expectation of what they would like to be paid for. The fact is that they are still an intern, so they have to decide if they are going to accept an offer at that level.
It really is up to you if you wish to pay them more for their internship, but I would make it clear that the role on offer is an internship (which they need to complete requirements for their studies) and there is a rate for that role.
answered 23 hours ago
Jane S♦Jane S
43.3k18131167
33
I'm also a fan of equal pay for equal work. If the person is good, and they'll want to hire them later, then it makes even more sense to pay them equally since it puts the company in a positive light.
– Malisbad
23 hours ago
4
@Malisbad I don't disagree, and as in my answer, it is the prerogative of the employer to make that determination. However, if the company had the budget and requirement for an intern, then they have every right to offer it. The prospective employee/intern then also has the right to disagree and not accept the offer. Remember that the role is meant to be a three-month intern to allow the intern to cover the requirements for their qualification, which was clearly what was discussed with the OP and their firm prior to the candidate requesting higher.
– Jane S♦
22 hours ago
23
@Malisbad They applied for an internship, not for a full job. If the candidate is overqualified, that's their problem - a former Michelin Star chef who goes back to University and starts working part-time in a Fast Food restaurant can't expect to demand the same pay they used to have.
– Chronocidal
18 hours ago
12
@Chronocidal You are ofcourse correct, but: If he is able to, and can be utilized as a full employee it is reasonably fair to reimburse him as one. Interns are paid less mainly because the equilibrium is established on them gaining skills and experience in lieu of payment. If there is no such gain, then money will have to make up for it. Or he is deemed overqualified and the job given to someone who does not have the skills and experience.
– Stian Yttervik
18 hours ago
5
@luk32 At least in the UK, there would be some conflicts of requirements and interest there. If you hire a contractor, you provide no training, opportunity to learn how the entire company functions, sick pay (if it arises during the "intern's" employment), etc. If the internship is required by an educational institution, some of those may be expected parts of the internship package. Putting together a one-off package to keep everyone happy for only three months duration isn't going to be worth the hassle. Either the OP applicant takes the standard internship package or goes elsewhere, IMO.
– alephzero
17 hours ago
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Short Answer: If you have budget and requirement for an internship, then that is on offer. This person can choose to take that or not.
If the role you have available is for an intern, then that is what you are offering. The person is applying for an internship as this is a requirement for their course.
In the end, you have a role you are offering, and they have an expectation of what they would like to be paid for. The fact is that they are still an intern, so they have to decide if they are going to accept an offer at that level.
It really is up to you if you wish to pay them more for their internship, but I would make it clear that the role on offer is an internship (which they need to complete requirements for their studies) and there is a rate for that role.
answered 23 hours ago
Jane S♦Jane S
43.3k18131167
33
I'm also a fan of equal pay for equal work. If the person is good, and they'll want to hire them later, then it makes even more sense to pay them equally since it puts the company in a positive light.
– Malisbad
23 hours ago
4
@Malisbad I don't disagree, and as in my answer, it is the prerogative of the employer to make that determination. However, if the company had the budget and requirement for an intern, then they have every right to offer it. The prospective employee/intern then also has the right to disagree and not accept the offer. Remember that the role is meant to be a three-month intern to allow the intern to cover the requirements for their qualification, which was clearly what was discussed with the OP and their firm prior to the candidate requesting higher.
– Jane S♦
22 hours ago
23
@Malisbad They applied for an internship, not for a full job. If the candidate is overqualified, that's their problem - a former Michelin Star chef who goes back to University and starts working part-time in a Fast Food restaurant can't expect to demand the same pay they used to have.
– Chronocidal
18 hours ago
12
@Chronocidal You are ofcourse correct, but: If he is able to, and can be utilized as a full employee it is reasonably fair to reimburse him as one. Interns are paid less mainly because the equilibrium is established on them gaining skills and experience in lieu of payment. If there is no such gain, then money will have to make up for it. Or he is deemed overqualified and the job given to someone who does not have the skills and experience.
– Stian Yttervik
18 hours ago
5
@luk32 At least in the UK, there would be some conflicts of requirements and interest there. If you hire a contractor, you provide no training, opportunity to learn how the entire company functions, sick pay (if it arises during the "intern's" employment), etc. If the internship is required by an educational institution, some of those may be expected parts of the internship package. Putting together a one-off package to keep everyone happy for only three months duration isn't going to be worth the hassle. Either the OP applicant takes the standard internship package or goes elsewhere, IMO.
– alephzero
17 hours ago
|
show 14 more comments
Short Answer: If you have budget and requirement for an internship, then that is on offer. This person can choose to take that or not.
If the role you have available is for an intern, then that is what you are offering. The person is applying for an internship as this is a requirement for their course.
In the end, you have a role you are offering, and they have an expectation of what they would like to be paid for. The fact is that they are still an intern, so they have to decide if they are going to accept an offer at that level.
It really is up to you if you wish to pay them more for their internship, but I would make it clear that the role on offer is an internship (which they need to complete requirements for their studies) and there is a rate for that role.
answered 23 hours ago
Jane S♦Jane S
43.3k18131167
Short Answer: If you have budget and requirement for an internship, then that is on offer. This person can choose to take that or not.
If the role you have available is for an intern, then that is what you are offering. The person is applying for an internship as this is a requirement for their course.
In the end, you have a role you are offering, and they have an expectation of what they would like to be paid for. The fact is that they are still an intern, so they have to decide if they are going to accept an offer at that level.
It really is up to you if you wish to pay them more for their internship, but I would make it clear that the role on offer is an internship (which they need to complete requirements for their studies) and there is a rate for that role.
answered 23 hours ago
Jane S♦Jane S
43.3k18131167
answered 23 hours ago
Jane S♦Jane S
43.3k18131167
answered 23 hours ago
Jane S♦Jane S
43.3k18131167
answered 23 hours ago
Jane S♦Jane S
43.3k18131167
43.3k18131167
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I'm also a fan of equal pay for equal work. If the person is good, and they'll want to hire them later, then it makes even more sense to pay them equally since it puts the company in a positive light.
– Malisbad
23 hours ago
4
@Malisbad I don't disagree, and as in my answer, it is the prerogative of the employer to make that determination. However, if the company had the budget and requirement for an intern, then they have every right to offer it. The prospective employee/intern then also has the right to disagree and not accept the offer. Remember that the role is meant to be a three-month intern to allow the intern to cover the requirements for their qualification, which was clearly what was discussed with the OP and their firm prior to the candidate requesting higher.
– Jane S♦
22 hours ago
23
@Malisbad They applied for an internship, not for a full job. If the candidate is overqualified, that's their problem - a former Michelin Star chef who goes back to University and starts working part-time in a Fast Food restaurant can't expect to demand the same pay they used to have.
– Chronocidal
18 hours ago
12
@Chronocidal You are ofcourse correct, but: If he is able to, and can be utilized as a full employee it is reasonably fair to reimburse him as one. Interns are paid less mainly because the equilibrium is established on them gaining skills and experience in lieu of payment. If there is no such gain, then money will have to make up for it. Or he is deemed overqualified and the job given to someone who does not have the skills and experience.
– Stian Yttervik
18 hours ago
5
@luk32 At least in the UK, there would be some conflicts of requirements and interest there. If you hire a contractor, you provide no training, opportunity to learn how the entire company functions, sick pay (if it arises during the "intern's" employment), etc. If the internship is required by an educational institution, some of those may be expected parts of the internship package. Putting together a one-off package to keep everyone happy for only three months duration isn't going to be worth the hassle. Either the OP applicant takes the standard internship package or goes elsewhere, IMO.
– alephzero
17 hours ago
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I'm also a fan of equal pay for equal work. If the person is good, and they'll want to hire them later, then it makes even more sense to pay them equally since it puts the company in a positive light.
– Malisbad
23 hours ago
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@Malisbad I don't disagree, and as in my answer, it is the prerogative of the employer to make that determination. However, if the company had the budget and requirement for an intern, then they have every right to offer it. The prospective employee/intern then also has the right to disagree and not accept the offer. Remember that the role is meant to be a three-month intern to allow the intern to cover the requirements for their qualification, which was clearly what was discussed with the OP and their firm prior to the candidate requesting higher.
– Jane S♦
22 hours ago
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@Malisbad They applied for an internship, not for a full job. If the candidate is overqualified, that's their problem - a former Michelin Star chef who goes back to University and starts working part-time in a Fast Food restaurant can't expect to demand the same pay they used to have.
– Chronocidal
18 hours ago
12
@Chronocidal You are ofcourse correct, but: If he is able to, and can be utilized as a full employee it is reasonably fair to reimburse him as one. Interns are paid less mainly because the equilibrium is established on them gaining skills and experience in lieu of payment. If there is no such gain, then money will have to make up for it. Or he is deemed overqualified and the job given to someone who does not have the skills and experience.
– Stian Yttervik
18 hours ago
5
@luk32 At least in the UK, there would be some conflicts of requirements and interest there. If you hire a contractor, you provide no training, opportunity to learn how the entire company functions, sick pay (if it arises during the "intern's" employment), etc. If the internship is required by an educational institution, some of those may be expected parts of the internship package. Putting together a one-off package to keep everyone happy for only three months duration isn't going to be worth the hassle. Either the OP applicant takes the standard internship package or goes elsewhere, IMO.
– alephzero
17 hours ago
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I'm also a fan of equal pay for equal work. If the person is good, and they'll want to hire them later, then it makes even more sense to pay them equally since it puts the company in a positive light.
– Malisbad
23 hours ago
I'm also a fan of equal pay for equal work. If the person is good, and they'll want to hire them later, then it makes even more sense to pay them equally since it puts the company in a positive light.
– Malisbad
23 hours ago
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4
@Malisbad I don't disagree, and as in my answer, it is the prerogative of the employer to make that determination. However, if the company had the budget and requirement for an intern, then they have every right to offer it. The prospective employee/intern then also has the right to disagree and not accept the offer. Remember that the role is meant to be a three-month intern to allow the intern to cover the requirements for their qualification, which was clearly what was discussed with the OP and their firm prior to the candidate requesting higher.
– Jane S♦
22 hours ago
@Malisbad I don't disagree, and as in my answer, it is the prerogative of the employer to make that determination. However, if the company had the budget and requirement for an intern, then they have every right to offer it. The prospective employee/intern then also has the right to disagree and not accept the offer. Remember that the role is meant to be a three-month intern to allow the intern to cover the requirements for their qualification, which was clearly what was discussed with the OP and their firm prior to the candidate requesting higher.
– Jane S♦
22 hours ago
23
23
@Malisbad They applied for an internship, not for a full job. If the candidate is overqualified, that's their problem - a former Michelin Star chef who goes back to University and starts working part-time in a Fast Food restaurant can't expect to demand the same pay they used to have.
– Chronocidal
18 hours ago
@Malisbad They applied for an internship, not for a full job. If the candidate is overqualified, that's their problem - a former Michelin Star chef who goes back to University and starts working part-time in a Fast Food restaurant can't expect to demand the same pay they used to have.
– Chronocidal
18 hours ago
12
12
@Chronocidal You are ofcourse correct, but: If he is able to, and can be utilized as a full employee it is reasonably fair to reimburse him as one. Interns are paid less mainly because the equilibrium is established on them gaining skills and experience in lieu of payment. If there is no such gain, then money will have to make up for it. Or he is deemed overqualified and the job given to someone who does not have the skills and experience.
– Stian Yttervik
18 hours ago
@Chronocidal You are ofcourse correct, but: If he is able to, and can be utilized as a full employee it is reasonably fair to reimburse him as one. Interns are paid less mainly because the equilibrium is established on them gaining skills and experience in lieu of payment. If there is no such gain, then money will have to make up for it. Or he is deemed overqualified and the job given to someone who does not have the skills and experience.
– Stian Yttervik
18 hours ago
5
5
@luk32 At least in the UK, there would be some conflicts of requirements and interest there. If you hire a contractor, you provide no training, opportunity to learn how the entire company functions, sick pay (if it arises during the "intern's" employment), etc. If the internship is required by an educational institution, some of those may be expected parts of the internship package. Putting together a one-off package to keep everyone happy for only three months duration isn't going to be worth the hassle. Either the OP applicant takes the standard internship package or goes elsewhere, IMO.
– alephzero
17 hours ago
@luk32 At least in the UK, there would be some conflicts of requirements and interest there. If you hire a contractor, you provide no training, opportunity to learn how the entire company functions, sick pay (if it arises during the "intern's" employment), etc. If the internship is required by an educational institution, some of those may be expected parts of the internship package. Putting together a one-off package to keep everyone happy for only three months duration isn't going to be worth the hassle. Either the OP applicant takes the standard internship package or goes elsewhere, IMO.
– alephzero
17 hours ago
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It's really impossible to answer your question without more details.
The pay you can offer them should reflect:
- how much he is worth to you. Is he worth to you more than "normal" interns are? Would you be able to make use of his more developed skills?
- your budgetary constraints. Can you afford to have a new employee?
answered 23 hours ago
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It's really impossible to answer your question without more details.
The pay you can offer them should reflect:
- how much he is worth to you. Is he worth to you more than "normal" interns are? Would you be able to make use of his more developed skills?
- your budgetary constraints. Can you afford to have a new employee?
answered 23 hours ago
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It's really impossible to answer your question without more details.
The pay you can offer them should reflect:
- how much he is worth to you. Is he worth to you more than "normal" interns are? Would you be able to make use of his more developed skills?
- your budgetary constraints. Can you afford to have a new employee?
answered 23 hours ago
BigMadAndyBigMadAndy
13.7k112565
It's really impossible to answer your question without more details.
The pay you can offer them should reflect:
- how much he is worth to you. Is he worth to you more than "normal" interns are? Would you be able to make use of his more developed skills?
- your budgetary constraints. Can you afford to have a new employee?
answered 23 hours ago
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answered 23 hours ago
BigMadAndyBigMadAndy
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answered 23 hours ago
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answered 23 hours ago
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An internship is not the same as a full-time position with less pay.
An intern:
- little to no responsibility beyond doing the tasks given to them
- learns on the job
- is limited form a few month to a year
A full-term:
- takes ownership of their work from beginning to end
- after on-boarding is done doesn't need to relearn their core function
- stays with the company often for more than a year
A intern should be able to expect some hand holding and ideally to see new aspects of the job he or she is growing into.
An intern position (if done right) takes away time from a more senior employee to onboard and all that specific knowledge leaves the company after 3 months.
For a certain projects interns are a really good fit: e.g. write some stand alone piece of code that is used only for short period of time
Such projects often only get funded, because they can be done by an intern.
Paying an intern a full-time salary makes your "intern projects" more expensive.
So in the end it is not just about the skill set of the candidate it is about what is adequate for the role. There might be a little bit of wiggle room, but if you are looking for an intern for an intern project you really shouldn't pay a full time salary for no reason.
answered 21 hours ago
HelenaHelena
5286
Although company and candidate connected with one another through an opening labeled as an intern position, that does not mean that if the candidate does take a short term role, they will necessarily be functioning in the capacity of an in intern. The opening of the question already recognized that they have more capability than a typical intern, treating them like one would be a mistake, so this is really about if the company and candidate can agree on what would functionally be another type of role.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
1
A temporary 3-month employee that is being evaluated for an intership should definitely be treated like an intern; there's no guarantee they'll ever be anything more. 3 months isn't even enough time for an experienced engineer to get fully up to speed. Pursuing a different arrangement might be reasonable if the applicant here didn't specifically need a short-term internship, but otherwise they should both accept what it is. I've done such an "internship" myself.
– Matthew Read
11 hours ago
On the contrary, when a person is actually matched to a defined problem, it's fairly normal to make useful contributions within the first week and not at all unusual to do so on the first day - if this does not happen, likely the task was misidentified or the wrong person was chosen. And that is part of the key contrast between someone who has the skills to do the work, as this candidate may, vs someone who needs guidance in developing those skills, as a stereotypical intern would.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
add a comment |
An internship is not the same as a full-time position with less pay.
An intern:
- little to no responsibility beyond doing the tasks given to them
- learns on the job
- is limited form a few month to a year
A full-term:
- takes ownership of their work from beginning to end
- after on-boarding is done doesn't need to relearn their core function
- stays with the company often for more than a year
A intern should be able to expect some hand holding and ideally to see new aspects of the job he or she is growing into.
An intern position (if done right) takes away time from a more senior employee to onboard and all that specific knowledge leaves the company after 3 months.
For a certain projects interns are a really good fit: e.g. write some stand alone piece of code that is used only for short period of time
Such projects often only get funded, because they can be done by an intern.
Paying an intern a full-time salary makes your "intern projects" more expensive.
So in the end it is not just about the skill set of the candidate it is about what is adequate for the role. There might be a little bit of wiggle room, but if you are looking for an intern for an intern project you really shouldn't pay a full time salary for no reason.
answered 21 hours ago
HelenaHelena
5286
Although company and candidate connected with one another through an opening labeled as an intern position, that does not mean that if the candidate does take a short term role, they will necessarily be functioning in the capacity of an in intern. The opening of the question already recognized that they have more capability than a typical intern, treating them like one would be a mistake, so this is really about if the company and candidate can agree on what would functionally be another type of role.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
1
A temporary 3-month employee that is being evaluated for an intership should definitely be treated like an intern; there's no guarantee they'll ever be anything more. 3 months isn't even enough time for an experienced engineer to get fully up to speed. Pursuing a different arrangement might be reasonable if the applicant here didn't specifically need a short-term internship, but otherwise they should both accept what it is. I've done such an "internship" myself.
– Matthew Read
11 hours ago
On the contrary, when a person is actually matched to a defined problem, it's fairly normal to make useful contributions within the first week and not at all unusual to do so on the first day - if this does not happen, likely the task was misidentified or the wrong person was chosen. And that is part of the key contrast between someone who has the skills to do the work, as this candidate may, vs someone who needs guidance in developing those skills, as a stereotypical intern would.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
add a comment |
An internship is not the same as a full-time position with less pay.
An intern:
- little to no responsibility beyond doing the tasks given to them
- learns on the job
- is limited form a few month to a year
A full-term:
- takes ownership of their work from beginning to end
- after on-boarding is done doesn't need to relearn their core function
- stays with the company often for more than a year
A intern should be able to expect some hand holding and ideally to see new aspects of the job he or she is growing into.
An intern position (if done right) takes away time from a more senior employee to onboard and all that specific knowledge leaves the company after 3 months.
For a certain projects interns are a really good fit: e.g. write some stand alone piece of code that is used only for short period of time
Such projects often only get funded, because they can be done by an intern.
Paying an intern a full-time salary makes your "intern projects" more expensive.
So in the end it is not just about the skill set of the candidate it is about what is adequate for the role. There might be a little bit of wiggle room, but if you are looking for an intern for an intern project you really shouldn't pay a full time salary for no reason.
answered 21 hours ago
HelenaHelena
5286
An internship is not the same as a full-time position with less pay.
An intern:
- little to no responsibility beyond doing the tasks given to them
- learns on the job
- is limited form a few month to a year
A full-term:
- takes ownership of their work from beginning to end
- after on-boarding is done doesn't need to relearn their core function
- stays with the company often for more than a year
A intern should be able to expect some hand holding and ideally to see new aspects of the job he or she is growing into.
An intern position (if done right) takes away time from a more senior employee to onboard and all that specific knowledge leaves the company after 3 months.
For a certain projects interns are a really good fit: e.g. write some stand alone piece of code that is used only for short period of time
Such projects often only get funded, because they can be done by an intern.
Paying an intern a full-time salary makes your "intern projects" more expensive.
So in the end it is not just about the skill set of the candidate it is about what is adequate for the role. There might be a little bit of wiggle room, but if you are looking for an intern for an intern project you really shouldn't pay a full time salary for no reason.
answered 21 hours ago
HelenaHelena
5286
answered 21 hours ago
HelenaHelena
5286
answered 21 hours ago
HelenaHelena
5286
answered 21 hours ago
HelenaHelena
5286
5286
Although company and candidate connected with one another through an opening labeled as an intern position, that does not mean that if the candidate does take a short term role, they will necessarily be functioning in the capacity of an in intern. The opening of the question already recognized that they have more capability than a typical intern, treating them like one would be a mistake, so this is really about if the company and candidate can agree on what would functionally be another type of role.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
1
A temporary 3-month employee that is being evaluated for an intership should definitely be treated like an intern; there's no guarantee they'll ever be anything more. 3 months isn't even enough time for an experienced engineer to get fully up to speed. Pursuing a different arrangement might be reasonable if the applicant here didn't specifically need a short-term internship, but otherwise they should both accept what it is. I've done such an "internship" myself.
– Matthew Read
11 hours ago
On the contrary, when a person is actually matched to a defined problem, it's fairly normal to make useful contributions within the first week and not at all unusual to do so on the first day - if this does not happen, likely the task was misidentified or the wrong person was chosen. And that is part of the key contrast between someone who has the skills to do the work, as this candidate may, vs someone who needs guidance in developing those skills, as a stereotypical intern would.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Although company and candidate connected with one another through an opening labeled as an intern position, that does not mean that if the candidate does take a short term role, they will necessarily be functioning in the capacity of an in intern. The opening of the question already recognized that they have more capability than a typical intern, treating them like one would be a mistake, so this is really about if the company and candidate can agree on what would functionally be another type of role.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
1
A temporary 3-month employee that is being evaluated for an intership should definitely be treated like an intern; there's no guarantee they'll ever be anything more. 3 months isn't even enough time for an experienced engineer to get fully up to speed. Pursuing a different arrangement might be reasonable if the applicant here didn't specifically need a short-term internship, but otherwise they should both accept what it is. I've done such an "internship" myself.
– Matthew Read
11 hours ago
On the contrary, when a person is actually matched to a defined problem, it's fairly normal to make useful contributions within the first week and not at all unusual to do so on the first day - if this does not happen, likely the task was misidentified or the wrong person was chosen. And that is part of the key contrast between someone who has the skills to do the work, as this candidate may, vs someone who needs guidance in developing those skills, as a stereotypical intern would.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
Although company and candidate connected with one another through an opening labeled as an intern position, that does not mean that if the candidate does take a short term role, they will necessarily be functioning in the capacity of an in intern. The opening of the question already recognized that they have more capability than a typical intern, treating them like one would be a mistake, so this is really about if the company and candidate can agree on what would functionally be another type of role.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
Although company and candidate connected with one another through an opening labeled as an intern position, that does not mean that if the candidate does take a short term role, they will necessarily be functioning in the capacity of an in intern. The opening of the question already recognized that they have more capability than a typical intern, treating them like one would be a mistake, so this is really about if the company and candidate can agree on what would functionally be another type of role.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
1
1
A temporary 3-month employee that is being evaluated for an intership should definitely be treated like an intern; there's no guarantee they'll ever be anything more. 3 months isn't even enough time for an experienced engineer to get fully up to speed. Pursuing a different arrangement might be reasonable if the applicant here didn't specifically need a short-term internship, but otherwise they should both accept what it is. I've done such an "internship" myself.
– Matthew Read
11 hours ago
A temporary 3-month employee that is being evaluated for an intership should definitely be treated like an intern; there's no guarantee they'll ever be anything more. 3 months isn't even enough time for an experienced engineer to get fully up to speed. Pursuing a different arrangement might be reasonable if the applicant here didn't specifically need a short-term internship, but otherwise they should both accept what it is. I've done such an "internship" myself.
– Matthew Read
11 hours ago
On the contrary, when a person is actually matched to a defined problem, it's fairly normal to make useful contributions within the first week and not at all unusual to do so on the first day - if this does not happen, likely the task was misidentified or the wrong person was chosen. And that is part of the key contrast between someone who has the skills to do the work, as this candidate may, vs someone who needs guidance in developing those skills, as a stereotypical intern would.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
On the contrary, when a person is actually matched to a defined problem, it's fairly normal to make useful contributions within the first week and not at all unusual to do so on the first day - if this does not happen, likely the task was misidentified or the wrong person was chosen. And that is part of the key contrast between someone who has the skills to do the work, as this candidate may, vs someone who needs guidance in developing those skills, as a stereotypical intern would.
– Chris Stratton
7 hours ago
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You should really evaluate what the company needs and what he can offer.
Internships are usually already an investment which cost the company more than they bring initially. You have a lot of time invested in onboarding, mentoring, HR, hardware/software, tax-forms and so on. Compared to the amount of work the intern does this hardly balances out. The prospect of the intern becoming a fulltime employee after the internship (and maybe good PR) is usually what justifies the investment.
According to your comment the post-grad student has no inention of bein employed at your company after the 3 month internship. And he wants to be payed a lot more. Companies usually don't hire full time employees for a period as short as 3 months, because the expenditure for a new employee are not amortized after such a short period.
This all would likely lead to the conclusion of not hiring him for more than the usual internship salary, if even hiring him at all for an internship.
answered 19 hours ago
FalcoFalco
18326
The comment only says that the candidate won't be able to continue beyond three months. But most interns cannot immediately continue to a full time role, they go back to school for additional semesters or even years. Internship based recruiting is a "long game" and there is not specific evidence that is not viable here, though a more advanced degree tends to put people into different categories of recruitment. In terms of "the expenditure for new employees" there are plenty of situations where those with the right skills (which this candidate may have) can generate value from day 1.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
add a comment |
You should really evaluate what the company needs and what he can offer.
Internships are usually already an investment which cost the company more than they bring initially. You have a lot of time invested in onboarding, mentoring, HR, hardware/software, tax-forms and so on. Compared to the amount of work the intern does this hardly balances out. The prospect of the intern becoming a fulltime employee after the internship (and maybe good PR) is usually what justifies the investment.
According to your comment the post-grad student has no inention of bein employed at your company after the 3 month internship. And he wants to be payed a lot more. Companies usually don't hire full time employees for a period as short as 3 months, because the expenditure for a new employee are not amortized after such a short period.
This all would likely lead to the conclusion of not hiring him for more than the usual internship salary, if even hiring him at all for an internship.
answered 19 hours ago
FalcoFalco
18326
The comment only says that the candidate won't be able to continue beyond three months. But most interns cannot immediately continue to a full time role, they go back to school for additional semesters or even years. Internship based recruiting is a "long game" and there is not specific evidence that is not viable here, though a more advanced degree tends to put people into different categories of recruitment. In terms of "the expenditure for new employees" there are plenty of situations where those with the right skills (which this candidate may have) can generate value from day 1.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
add a comment |
You should really evaluate what the company needs and what he can offer.
Internships are usually already an investment which cost the company more than they bring initially. You have a lot of time invested in onboarding, mentoring, HR, hardware/software, tax-forms and so on. Compared to the amount of work the intern does this hardly balances out. The prospect of the intern becoming a fulltime employee after the internship (and maybe good PR) is usually what justifies the investment.
According to your comment the post-grad student has no inention of bein employed at your company after the 3 month internship. And he wants to be payed a lot more. Companies usually don't hire full time employees for a period as short as 3 months, because the expenditure for a new employee are not amortized after such a short period.
This all would likely lead to the conclusion of not hiring him for more than the usual internship salary, if even hiring him at all for an internship.
answered 19 hours ago
FalcoFalco
18326
You should really evaluate what the company needs and what he can offer.
Internships are usually already an investment which cost the company more than they bring initially. You have a lot of time invested in onboarding, mentoring, HR, hardware/software, tax-forms and so on. Compared to the amount of work the intern does this hardly balances out. The prospect of the intern becoming a fulltime employee after the internship (and maybe good PR) is usually what justifies the investment.
According to your comment the post-grad student has no inention of bein employed at your company after the 3 month internship. And he wants to be payed a lot more. Companies usually don't hire full time employees for a period as short as 3 months, because the expenditure for a new employee are not amortized after such a short period.
This all would likely lead to the conclusion of not hiring him for more than the usual internship salary, if even hiring him at all for an internship.
answered 19 hours ago
FalcoFalco
18326
answered 19 hours ago
FalcoFalco
18326
answered 19 hours ago
FalcoFalco
18326
answered 19 hours ago
FalcoFalco
18326
18326
The comment only says that the candidate won't be able to continue beyond three months. But most interns cannot immediately continue to a full time role, they go back to school for additional semesters or even years. Internship based recruiting is a "long game" and there is not specific evidence that is not viable here, though a more advanced degree tends to put people into different categories of recruitment. In terms of "the expenditure for new employees" there are plenty of situations where those with the right skills (which this candidate may have) can generate value from day 1.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
add a comment |
The comment only says that the candidate won't be able to continue beyond three months. But most interns cannot immediately continue to a full time role, they go back to school for additional semesters or even years. Internship based recruiting is a "long game" and there is not specific evidence that is not viable here, though a more advanced degree tends to put people into different categories of recruitment. In terms of "the expenditure for new employees" there are plenty of situations where those with the right skills (which this candidate may have) can generate value from day 1.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
The comment only says that the candidate won't be able to continue beyond three months. But most interns cannot immediately continue to a full time role, they go back to school for additional semesters or even years. Internship based recruiting is a "long game" and there is not specific evidence that is not viable here, though a more advanced degree tends to put people into different categories of recruitment. In terms of "the expenditure for new employees" there are plenty of situations where those with the right skills (which this candidate may have) can generate value from day 1.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
The comment only says that the candidate won't be able to continue beyond three months. But most interns cannot immediately continue to a full time role, they go back to school for additional semesters or even years. Internship based recruiting is a "long game" and there is not specific evidence that is not viable here, though a more advanced degree tends to put people into different categories of recruitment. In terms of "the expenditure for new employees" there are plenty of situations where those with the right skills (which this candidate may have) can generate value from day 1.
– Chris Stratton
13 hours ago
add a comment |
An intern who you know will only be there for 3 months is not worth as much as a full-time employee.
The value of an employee isn't just the work that they complete in a particular time period. It's also the anticipation that they will continue to learn and grow and add more value to the company over time. Personally, my second 3 months with the company produced a ton more value than my first 3 months, and my most recent 3 months was a lot more valuable than either of them. That's because I've learned a ton about the job since I started, and because I've also learned a lot about the company and how to work here.
Even if an intern produced the same amount of work in 3 months as a full time employee would have, they still aren't as valuable to the company as a full-time employee who will continue to learn and grow from there.
answered 13 hours ago
EJoshuaSEJoshuaS
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An intern who you know will only be there for 3 months is not worth as much as a full-time employee.
The value of an employee isn't just the work that they complete in a particular time period. It's also the anticipation that they will continue to learn and grow and add more value to the company over time. Personally, my second 3 months with the company produced a ton more value than my first 3 months, and my most recent 3 months was a lot more valuable than either of them. That's because I've learned a ton about the job since I started, and because I've also learned a lot about the company and how to work here.
Even if an intern produced the same amount of work in 3 months as a full time employee would have, they still aren't as valuable to the company as a full-time employee who will continue to learn and grow from there.
answered 13 hours ago
EJoshuaSEJoshuaS
870216
add a comment |
An intern who you know will only be there for 3 months is not worth as much as a full-time employee.
The value of an employee isn't just the work that they complete in a particular time period. It's also the anticipation that they will continue to learn and grow and add more value to the company over time. Personally, my second 3 months with the company produced a ton more value than my first 3 months, and my most recent 3 months was a lot more valuable than either of them. That's because I've learned a ton about the job since I started, and because I've also learned a lot about the company and how to work here.
Even if an intern produced the same amount of work in 3 months as a full time employee would have, they still aren't as valuable to the company as a full-time employee who will continue to learn and grow from there.
answered 13 hours ago
EJoshuaSEJoshuaS
870216
An intern who you know will only be there for 3 months is not worth as much as a full-time employee.
The value of an employee isn't just the work that they complete in a particular time period. It's also the anticipation that they will continue to learn and grow and add more value to the company over time. Personally, my second 3 months with the company produced a ton more value than my first 3 months, and my most recent 3 months was a lot more valuable than either of them. That's because I've learned a ton about the job since I started, and because I've also learned a lot about the company and how to work here.
Even if an intern produced the same amount of work in 3 months as a full time employee would have, they still aren't as valuable to the company as a full-time employee who will continue to learn and grow from there.
answered 13 hours ago
EJoshuaSEJoshuaS
870216
answered 13 hours ago
EJoshuaSEJoshuaS
870216
answered 13 hours ago
EJoshuaSEJoshuaS
870216
answered 13 hours ago
EJoshuaSEJoshuaS
870216
870216
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What does your company hope to gain by offering the internship? (usually you are looking for long term recruits, right?)
– P. Hopkinson
20 hours ago
26
You may be stuck on "We wanted an intern. Is this an intern?" when you should be thinking about what the company actually wanted an intern for.
– JollyJoker
19 hours ago
2
@P.Hopkinson Yes, but as he is in middle of his post graduation course he won't be able to continue after 3 months to work.
– newguy
19 hours ago
15
Sounds like he's applying for a temporary position and not an internship, to me.
– Phil N DeBlanc
18 hours ago
4
Just move on to the next intern that will work for the stated compensation.
– Joe Strazzere
17 hours ago