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($ABCD$ is a square. $|BE|=|EC|, |AF|=3cm, |GC|=4cm$. Determine the length of $|FG|$.)



How can I approach this problem, preferably without trigonometry?



(Except proving otherwise, is there a way to know that a given problem cannot be solved without trigonometry?)



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    Well, this is harder than it looks !
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    @StatisticDean yup, sitting here for like 25 minutes now and drawing the 50th picture
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    Actually, I think it is quite easy with trigonometry : you can write the law of cosines in triangles $ECG$, $EFC$ and $EFG$. From this you get a relation between $x$ and the length $L$ of the side of your square. Then you have also $(7+x)^2 = 2L^2$, and the two relations together give you $x$. But without trigonometry, I have no idea...
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    One reflection proves that G is on AD. A second reflection proves that AF=AC/4.
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    Seeing the lengths 3cm, 4cm and half of a right angle, I somehow think of x=5
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($ABCD$ is a square. $|BE|=|EC|, |AF|=3cm, |GC|=4cm$. Determine the length of $|FG|$.)



How can I approach this problem, preferably without trigonometry?



(Except proving otherwise, is there a way to know that a given problem cannot be solved without trigonometry?)



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    Well, this is harder than it looks !
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    @StatisticDean yup, sitting here for like 25 minutes now and drawing the 50th picture
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    – Vinyl_coat_jawa
    6 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Actually, I think it is quite easy with trigonometry : you can write the law of cosines in triangles $ECG$, $EFC$ and $EFG$. From this you get a relation between $x$ and the length $L$ of the side of your square. Then you have also $(7+x)^2 = 2L^2$, and the two relations together give you $x$. But without trigonometry, I have no idea...
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    – TheSilverDoe
    6 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    One reflection proves that G is on AD. A second reflection proves that AF=AC/4.
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    – amI
    2 hours ago










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    Seeing the lengths 3cm, 4cm and half of a right angle, I somehow think of x=5
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    46 mins ago














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($ABCD$ is a square. $|BE|=|EC|, |AF|=3cm, |GC|=4cm$. Determine the length of $|FG|$.)



How can I approach this problem, preferably without trigonometry?



(Except proving otherwise, is there a way to know that a given problem cannot be solved without trigonometry?)



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($ABCD$ is a square. $|BE|=|EC|, |AF|=3cm, |GC|=4cm$. Determine the length of $|FG|$.)



How can I approach this problem, preferably without trigonometry?



(Except proving otherwise, is there a way to know that a given problem cannot be solved without trigonometry?)



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    Well, this is harder than it looks !
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    @StatisticDean yup, sitting here for like 25 minutes now and drawing the 50th picture
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    Actually, I think it is quite easy with trigonometry : you can write the law of cosines in triangles $ECG$, $EFC$ and $EFG$. From this you get a relation between $x$ and the length $L$ of the side of your square. Then you have also $(7+x)^2 = 2L^2$, and the two relations together give you $x$. But without trigonometry, I have no idea...
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    One reflection proves that G is on AD. A second reflection proves that AF=AC/4.
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    Seeing the lengths 3cm, 4cm and half of a right angle, I somehow think of x=5
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    $begingroup$
    Well, this is harder than it looks !
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    @StatisticDean yup, sitting here for like 25 minutes now and drawing the 50th picture
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    – Vinyl_coat_jawa
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  • $begingroup$
    Actually, I think it is quite easy with trigonometry : you can write the law of cosines in triangles $ECG$, $EFC$ and $EFG$. From this you get a relation between $x$ and the length $L$ of the side of your square. Then you have also $(7+x)^2 = 2L^2$, and the two relations together give you $x$. But without trigonometry, I have no idea...
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  • $begingroup$
    One reflection proves that G is on AD. A second reflection proves that AF=AC/4.
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    – amI
    2 hours ago










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    Seeing the lengths 3cm, 4cm and half of a right angle, I somehow think of x=5
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Well, this is harder than it looks !
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$begingroup$
@StatisticDean yup, sitting here for like 25 minutes now and drawing the 50th picture
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– Vinyl_coat_jawa
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$begingroup$
@StatisticDean yup, sitting here for like 25 minutes now and drawing the 50th picture
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– Vinyl_coat_jawa
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$begingroup$
Actually, I think it is quite easy with trigonometry : you can write the law of cosines in triangles $ECG$, $EFC$ and $EFG$. From this you get a relation between $x$ and the length $L$ of the side of your square. Then you have also $(7+x)^2 = 2L^2$, and the two relations together give you $x$. But without trigonometry, I have no idea...
$endgroup$
– TheSilverDoe
6 hours ago




$begingroup$
Actually, I think it is quite easy with trigonometry : you can write the law of cosines in triangles $ECG$, $EFC$ and $EFG$. From this you get a relation between $x$ and the length $L$ of the side of your square. Then you have also $(7+x)^2 = 2L^2$, and the two relations together give you $x$. But without trigonometry, I have no idea...
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One reflection proves that G is on AD. A second reflection proves that AF=AC/4.
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One reflection proves that G is on AD. A second reflection proves that AF=AC/4.
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Seeing the lengths 3cm, 4cm and half of a right angle, I somehow think of x=5
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Let $H$ be the midpoint of $AC$ and $angle EIC= 90^{circ}$. We can observe that $$FH+3=HG+4,quad FH+HG=x.$$ So we obtain $HG=frac{x-1}2$. Since two corresponding angles are congruent; $angle FEG =angle EHG=45^{circ}$ and $angle EGF=angle HGE$, we have that $triangle FEG$ and $triangle EHG$ are similar to each other. This gives $$FG:EG=EG:HGimplies EG^2 = FGcdot HG=frac{x(x-1)}2.$$ Now, note that $EI=frac14 AC=frac{x+7}4$ and $IG=IH-GH=frac{x+7}{4}-frac{x-1}2=frac{9-x}{4}$. Since $triangle EIG$ is a right triangle, by Pythagorean theorem, we find that
$$
EG^2=frac{x(x-1)}{2}=EI^2+IG^2=frac{(x+7)^2}{16}+frac{(9-x)^2}{16},
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which implies $x=5 $ or $x=-frac{13}3$. Since $x>0$, we get $x=5$.






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    Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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    @Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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    @blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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Ok after some calculus, I figured out to solve this problem. Let's draw the vertical V that goes through E, and call $alpha$ and $frac{pi}{4}-alpha$ the angles we get on the left and right of the 45° angle cut by V and call c the length of the side of the square. We can then do some trigonometry to get :





  • $c cdot tan(alpha) - (c-frac{3}{sqrt{2}}) = c cdot tan(alpha)$ (Continue the line EF to cut AD)


  • $ tan(frac{pi}{4}-alpha) = c cdot frac{sqrt{2}}{8}-1$ (G is $frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away vertically from the right side and $frac{c}{2}-frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away horizontally from the middle)


With a little trigo, we have 2 equations in $c$ and $tan(alpha)$ that we can solve, which allow us to solve the whole problem. This makes me think that there is no "simple" answer without trigo :(






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    Calling



    $$
    AF = a\
    FG=x\
    GC = b\
    EC = c
    $$



    Considering in the plane $Xtimes Y$ the square diagonal as the $X$ axis with $A$ at the origin, we have



    $$
    frac{sqrt 2}{2}(a+x+b)= 2c\
    x = sqrt2 r\
    left(X_0-left(a+frac x2right)right)^2+left(Y_0-frac x2right)^2= r^2\
    X_0 = a+x+b -frac{sqrt 2}{2}c\
    Y_0 = frac{sqrt 2}{2}c
    $$



    Here $r$ represents the radius for the circle which intersects the $X$ axis at $F, G$ such that $angle FCG = frac{pi}{4}$ is the angle subtended by arc $AB$



    Solving for $x,r,X_0,Y_0$ we get at



    $$
    left{
    begin{array}{rcl}
    x& =& frac{1}{3} left(b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
    c& =& frac{a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
    r& =& frac{b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
    X_0&=&frac{1}{2} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
    Y_0&=&frac{1}{6} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
    end{array}
    right.
    $$



    giving after substitution $x = 5$






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      Solution without trigonometry:
      Point G and F can be used to partition your figure into trapezoids by drawing a horizontal line through them. Then you can add up the areas of the figures formed and setting them equal to the area of the square which is side times side.



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        I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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      Let $H$ be the midpoint of $AC$ and $angle EIC= 90^{circ}$. We can observe that $$FH+3=HG+4,quad FH+HG=x.$$ So we obtain $HG=frac{x-1}2$. Since two corresponding angles are congruent; $angle FEG =angle EHG=45^{circ}$ and $angle EGF=angle HGE$, we have that $triangle FEG$ and $triangle EHG$ are similar to each other. This gives $$FG:EG=EG:HGimplies EG^2 = FGcdot HG=frac{x(x-1)}2.$$ Now, note that $EI=frac14 AC=frac{x+7}4$ and $IG=IH-GH=frac{x+7}{4}-frac{x-1}2=frac{9-x}{4}$. Since $triangle EIG$ is a right triangle, by Pythagorean theorem, we find that
      $$
      EG^2=frac{x(x-1)}{2}=EI^2+IG^2=frac{(x+7)^2}{16}+frac{(9-x)^2}{16},
      $$
      which implies $x=5 $ or $x=-frac{13}3$. Since $x>0$, we get $x=5$.






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        Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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        @OnoL Oh, you're right. It is fixed now. Thank you for the correction!
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        @Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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        @blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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      Let $H$ be the midpoint of $AC$ and $angle EIC= 90^{circ}$. We can observe that $$FH+3=HG+4,quad FH+HG=x.$$ So we obtain $HG=frac{x-1}2$. Since two corresponding angles are congruent; $angle FEG =angle EHG=45^{circ}$ and $angle EGF=angle HGE$, we have that $triangle FEG$ and $triangle EHG$ are similar to each other. This gives $$FG:EG=EG:HGimplies EG^2 = FGcdot HG=frac{x(x-1)}2.$$ Now, note that $EI=frac14 AC=frac{x+7}4$ and $IG=IH-GH=frac{x+7}{4}-frac{x-1}2=frac{9-x}{4}$. Since $triangle EIG$ is a right triangle, by Pythagorean theorem, we find that
      $$
      EG^2=frac{x(x-1)}{2}=EI^2+IG^2=frac{(x+7)^2}{16}+frac{(9-x)^2}{16},
      $$
      which implies $x=5 $ or $x=-frac{13}3$. Since $x>0$, we get $x=5$.






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        Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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        @OnoL Oh, you're right. It is fixed now. Thank you for the correction!
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        @Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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        @blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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      Let $H$ be the midpoint of $AC$ and $angle EIC= 90^{circ}$. We can observe that $$FH+3=HG+4,quad FH+HG=x.$$ So we obtain $HG=frac{x-1}2$. Since two corresponding angles are congruent; $angle FEG =angle EHG=45^{circ}$ and $angle EGF=angle HGE$, we have that $triangle FEG$ and $triangle EHG$ are similar to each other. This gives $$FG:EG=EG:HGimplies EG^2 = FGcdot HG=frac{x(x-1)}2.$$ Now, note that $EI=frac14 AC=frac{x+7}4$ and $IG=IH-GH=frac{x+7}{4}-frac{x-1}2=frac{9-x}{4}$. Since $triangle EIG$ is a right triangle, by Pythagorean theorem, we find that
      $$
      EG^2=frac{x(x-1)}{2}=EI^2+IG^2=frac{(x+7)^2}{16}+frac{(9-x)^2}{16},
      $$
      which implies $x=5 $ or $x=-frac{13}3$. Since $x>0$, we get $x=5$.






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      Let $H$ be the midpoint of $AC$ and $angle EIC= 90^{circ}$. We can observe that $$FH+3=HG+4,quad FH+HG=x.$$ So we obtain $HG=frac{x-1}2$. Since two corresponding angles are congruent; $angle FEG =angle EHG=45^{circ}$ and $angle EGF=angle HGE$, we have that $triangle FEG$ and $triangle EHG$ are similar to each other. This gives $$FG:EG=EG:HGimplies EG^2 = FGcdot HG=frac{x(x-1)}2.$$ Now, note that $EI=frac14 AC=frac{x+7}4$ and $IG=IH-GH=frac{x+7}{4}-frac{x-1}2=frac{9-x}{4}$. Since $triangle EIG$ is a right triangle, by Pythagorean theorem, we find that
      $$
      EG^2=frac{x(x-1)}{2}=EI^2+IG^2=frac{(x+7)^2}{16}+frac{(9-x)^2}{16},
      $$
      which implies $x=5 $ or $x=-frac{13}3$. Since $x>0$, we get $x=5$.







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        Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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        @blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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        Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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        @Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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        @blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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      Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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      Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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      @OnoL Oh, you're right. It is fixed now. Thank you for the correction!
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      @OnoL Oh, you're right. It is fixed now. Thank you for the correction!
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      @user Ah, I didn't know that. I'll fix it soon ... Thank you for your comment.
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      $begingroup$
      @Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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      $begingroup$
      @Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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      4 hours ago




      1




      1




      $begingroup$
      @blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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      4 hours ago






      $begingroup$
      @blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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      Ok after some calculus, I figured out to solve this problem. Let's draw the vertical V that goes through E, and call $alpha$ and $frac{pi}{4}-alpha$ the angles we get on the left and right of the 45° angle cut by V and call c the length of the side of the square. We can then do some trigonometry to get :





      • $c cdot tan(alpha) - (c-frac{3}{sqrt{2}}) = c cdot tan(alpha)$ (Continue the line EF to cut AD)


      • $ tan(frac{pi}{4}-alpha) = c cdot frac{sqrt{2}}{8}-1$ (G is $frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away vertically from the right side and $frac{c}{2}-frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away horizontally from the middle)


      With a little trigo, we have 2 equations in $c$ and $tan(alpha)$ that we can solve, which allow us to solve the whole problem. This makes me think that there is no "simple" answer without trigo :(






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        Ok after some calculus, I figured out to solve this problem. Let's draw the vertical V that goes through E, and call $alpha$ and $frac{pi}{4}-alpha$ the angles we get on the left and right of the 45° angle cut by V and call c the length of the side of the square. We can then do some trigonometry to get :





        • $c cdot tan(alpha) - (c-frac{3}{sqrt{2}}) = c cdot tan(alpha)$ (Continue the line EF to cut AD)


        • $ tan(frac{pi}{4}-alpha) = c cdot frac{sqrt{2}}{8}-1$ (G is $frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away vertically from the right side and $frac{c}{2}-frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away horizontally from the middle)


        With a little trigo, we have 2 equations in $c$ and $tan(alpha)$ that we can solve, which allow us to solve the whole problem. This makes me think that there is no "simple" answer without trigo :(






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          Ok after some calculus, I figured out to solve this problem. Let's draw the vertical V that goes through E, and call $alpha$ and $frac{pi}{4}-alpha$ the angles we get on the left and right of the 45° angle cut by V and call c the length of the side of the square. We can then do some trigonometry to get :





          • $c cdot tan(alpha) - (c-frac{3}{sqrt{2}}) = c cdot tan(alpha)$ (Continue the line EF to cut AD)


          • $ tan(frac{pi}{4}-alpha) = c cdot frac{sqrt{2}}{8}-1$ (G is $frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away vertically from the right side and $frac{c}{2}-frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away horizontally from the middle)


          With a little trigo, we have 2 equations in $c$ and $tan(alpha)$ that we can solve, which allow us to solve the whole problem. This makes me think that there is no "simple" answer without trigo :(






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          Ok after some calculus, I figured out to solve this problem. Let's draw the vertical V that goes through E, and call $alpha$ and $frac{pi}{4}-alpha$ the angles we get on the left and right of the 45° angle cut by V and call c the length of the side of the square. We can then do some trigonometry to get :





          • $c cdot tan(alpha) - (c-frac{3}{sqrt{2}}) = c cdot tan(alpha)$ (Continue the line EF to cut AD)


          • $ tan(frac{pi}{4}-alpha) = c cdot frac{sqrt{2}}{8}-1$ (G is $frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away vertically from the right side and $frac{c}{2}-frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away horizontally from the middle)


          With a little trigo, we have 2 equations in $c$ and $tan(alpha)$ that we can solve, which allow us to solve the whole problem. This makes me think that there is no "simple" answer without trigo :(







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              Calling



              $$
              AF = a\
              FG=x\
              GC = b\
              EC = c
              $$



              Considering in the plane $Xtimes Y$ the square diagonal as the $X$ axis with $A$ at the origin, we have



              $$
              frac{sqrt 2}{2}(a+x+b)= 2c\
              x = sqrt2 r\
              left(X_0-left(a+frac x2right)right)^2+left(Y_0-frac x2right)^2= r^2\
              X_0 = a+x+b -frac{sqrt 2}{2}c\
              Y_0 = frac{sqrt 2}{2}c
              $$



              Here $r$ represents the radius for the circle which intersects the $X$ axis at $F, G$ such that $angle FCG = frac{pi}{4}$ is the angle subtended by arc $AB$



              Solving for $x,r,X_0,Y_0$ we get at



              $$
              left{
              begin{array}{rcl}
              x& =& frac{1}{3} left(b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
              c& =& frac{a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
              r& =& frac{b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
              X_0&=&frac{1}{2} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
              Y_0&=&frac{1}{6} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
              end{array}
              right.
              $$



              giving after substitution $x = 5$






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                $begingroup$

                Calling



                $$
                AF = a\
                FG=x\
                GC = b\
                EC = c
                $$



                Considering in the plane $Xtimes Y$ the square diagonal as the $X$ axis with $A$ at the origin, we have



                $$
                frac{sqrt 2}{2}(a+x+b)= 2c\
                x = sqrt2 r\
                left(X_0-left(a+frac x2right)right)^2+left(Y_0-frac x2right)^2= r^2\
                X_0 = a+x+b -frac{sqrt 2}{2}c\
                Y_0 = frac{sqrt 2}{2}c
                $$



                Here $r$ represents the radius for the circle which intersects the $X$ axis at $F, G$ such that $angle FCG = frac{pi}{4}$ is the angle subtended by arc $AB$



                Solving for $x,r,X_0,Y_0$ we get at



                $$
                left{
                begin{array}{rcl}
                x& =& frac{1}{3} left(b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
                c& =& frac{a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
                r& =& frac{b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
                X_0&=&frac{1}{2} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
                Y_0&=&frac{1}{6} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
                end{array}
                right.
                $$



                giving after substitution $x = 5$






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                  $begingroup$

                  Calling



                  $$
                  AF = a\
                  FG=x\
                  GC = b\
                  EC = c
                  $$



                  Considering in the plane $Xtimes Y$ the square diagonal as the $X$ axis with $A$ at the origin, we have



                  $$
                  frac{sqrt 2}{2}(a+x+b)= 2c\
                  x = sqrt2 r\
                  left(X_0-left(a+frac x2right)right)^2+left(Y_0-frac x2right)^2= r^2\
                  X_0 = a+x+b -frac{sqrt 2}{2}c\
                  Y_0 = frac{sqrt 2}{2}c
                  $$



                  Here $r$ represents the radius for the circle which intersects the $X$ axis at $F, G$ such that $angle FCG = frac{pi}{4}$ is the angle subtended by arc $AB$



                  Solving for $x,r,X_0,Y_0$ we get at



                  $$
                  left{
                  begin{array}{rcl}
                  x& =& frac{1}{3} left(b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
                  c& =& frac{a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
                  r& =& frac{b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
                  X_0&=&frac{1}{2} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
                  Y_0&=&frac{1}{6} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
                  end{array}
                  right.
                  $$



                  giving after substitution $x = 5$






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                  Calling



                  $$
                  AF = a\
                  FG=x\
                  GC = b\
                  EC = c
                  $$



                  Considering in the plane $Xtimes Y$ the square diagonal as the $X$ axis with $A$ at the origin, we have



                  $$
                  frac{sqrt 2}{2}(a+x+b)= 2c\
                  x = sqrt2 r\
                  left(X_0-left(a+frac x2right)right)^2+left(Y_0-frac x2right)^2= r^2\
                  X_0 = a+x+b -frac{sqrt 2}{2}c\
                  Y_0 = frac{sqrt 2}{2}c
                  $$



                  Here $r$ represents the radius for the circle which intersects the $X$ axis at $F, G$ such that $angle FCG = frac{pi}{4}$ is the angle subtended by arc $AB$



                  Solving for $x,r,X_0,Y_0$ we get at



                  $$
                  left{
                  begin{array}{rcl}
                  x& =& frac{1}{3} left(b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
                  c& =& frac{a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
                  r& =& frac{b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
                  X_0&=&frac{1}{2} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
                  Y_0&=&frac{1}{6} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
                  end{array}
                  right.
                  $$



                  giving after substitution $x = 5$







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                      Solution without trigonometry:
                      Point G and F can be used to partition your figure into trapezoids by drawing a horizontal line through them. Then you can add up the areas of the figures formed and setting them equal to the area of the square which is side times side.



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                        I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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                      $begingroup$

                      Solution without trigonometry:
                      Point G and F can be used to partition your figure into trapezoids by drawing a horizontal line through them. Then you can add up the areas of the figures formed and setting them equal to the area of the square which is side times side.



                      enter image description here






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                      Solution without trigonometry:
                      Point G and F can be used to partition your figure into trapezoids by drawing a horizontal line through them. Then you can add up the areas of the figures formed and setting them equal to the area of the square which is side times side.



                      enter image description here






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                      Solution without trigonometry:
                      Point G and F can be used to partition your figure into trapezoids by drawing a horizontal line through them. Then you can add up the areas of the figures formed and setting them equal to the area of the square which is side times side.



                      enter image description here







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                        $begingroup$
                        I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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                        $begingroup$
                        I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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                        4 hours ago








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                      $begingroup$
                      I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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                      4 hours ago




                      $begingroup$
                      I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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