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($ABCD$ is a square. $|BE|=|EC|, |AF|=3cm, |GC|=4cm$. Determine the length of $|FG|$.)
How can I approach this problem, preferably without trigonometry?
(Except proving otherwise, is there a way to know that a given problem cannot be solved without trigonometry?)
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($ABCD$ is a square. $|BE|=|EC|, |AF|=3cm, |GC|=4cm$. Determine the length of $|FG|$.)
How can I approach this problem, preferably without trigonometry?
(Except proving otherwise, is there a way to know that a given problem cannot be solved without trigonometry?)
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Well, this is harder than it looks !
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@StatisticDean yup, sitting here for like 25 minutes now and drawing the 50th picture
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Actually, I think it is quite easy with trigonometry : you can write the law of cosines in triangles $ECG$, $EFC$ and $EFG$. From this you get a relation between $x$ and the length $L$ of the side of your square. Then you have also $(7+x)^2 = 2L^2$, and the two relations together give you $x$. But without trigonometry, I have no idea...
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One reflection proves that G is on AD. A second reflection proves that AF=AC/4.
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Seeing the lengths 3cm, 4cm and half of a right angle, I somehow think of x=5
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($ABCD$ is a square. $|BE|=|EC|, |AF|=3cm, |GC|=4cm$. Determine the length of $|FG|$.)
How can I approach this problem, preferably without trigonometry?
(Except proving otherwise, is there a way to know that a given problem cannot be solved without trigonometry?)
geometry euclidean-geometry puzzle
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($ABCD$ is a square. $|BE|=|EC|, |AF|=3cm, |GC|=4cm$. Determine the length of $|FG|$.)
How can I approach this problem, preferably without trigonometry?
(Except proving otherwise, is there a way to know that a given problem cannot be solved without trigonometry?)
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Well, this is harder than it looks !
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@StatisticDean yup, sitting here for like 25 minutes now and drawing the 50th picture
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Actually, I think it is quite easy with trigonometry : you can write the law of cosines in triangles $ECG$, $EFC$ and $EFG$. From this you get a relation between $x$ and the length $L$ of the side of your square. Then you have also $(7+x)^2 = 2L^2$, and the two relations together give you $x$. But without trigonometry, I have no idea...
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One reflection proves that G is on AD. A second reflection proves that AF=AC/4.
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Seeing the lengths 3cm, 4cm and half of a right angle, I somehow think of x=5
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Well, this is harder than it looks !
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– Statistic Dean
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@StatisticDean yup, sitting here for like 25 minutes now and drawing the 50th picture
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Actually, I think it is quite easy with trigonometry : you can write the law of cosines in triangles $ECG$, $EFC$ and $EFG$. From this you get a relation between $x$ and the length $L$ of the side of your square. Then you have also $(7+x)^2 = 2L^2$, and the two relations together give you $x$. But without trigonometry, I have no idea...
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– TheSilverDoe
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One reflection proves that G is on AD. A second reflection proves that AF=AC/4.
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Seeing the lengths 3cm, 4cm and half of a right angle, I somehow think of x=5
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Well, this is harder than it looks !
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– Statistic Dean
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Well, this is harder than it looks !
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@StatisticDean yup, sitting here for like 25 minutes now and drawing the 50th picture
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@StatisticDean yup, sitting here for like 25 minutes now and drawing the 50th picture
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Actually, I think it is quite easy with trigonometry : you can write the law of cosines in triangles $ECG$, $EFC$ and $EFG$. From this you get a relation between $x$ and the length $L$ of the side of your square. Then you have also $(7+x)^2 = 2L^2$, and the two relations together give you $x$. But without trigonometry, I have no idea...
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Actually, I think it is quite easy with trigonometry : you can write the law of cosines in triangles $ECG$, $EFC$ and $EFG$. From this you get a relation between $x$ and the length $L$ of the side of your square. Then you have also $(7+x)^2 = 2L^2$, and the two relations together give you $x$. But without trigonometry, I have no idea...
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One reflection proves that G is on AD. A second reflection proves that AF=AC/4.
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– amI
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One reflection proves that G is on AD. A second reflection proves that AF=AC/4.
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Seeing the lengths 3cm, 4cm and half of a right angle, I somehow think of x=5
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Let $H$ be the midpoint of $AC$ and $angle EIC= 90^{circ}$. We can observe that $$FH+3=HG+4,quad FH+HG=x.$$ So we obtain $HG=frac{x-1}2$. Since two corresponding angles are congruent; $angle FEG =angle EHG=45^{circ}$ and $angle EGF=angle HGE$, we have that $triangle FEG$ and $triangle EHG$ are similar to each other. This gives $$FG:EG=EG:HGimplies EG^2 = FGcdot HG=frac{x(x-1)}2.$$ Now, note that $EI=frac14 AC=frac{x+7}4$ and $IG=IH-GH=frac{x+7}{4}-frac{x-1}2=frac{9-x}{4}$. Since $triangle EIG$ is a right triangle, by Pythagorean theorem, we find that
$$
EG^2=frac{x(x-1)}{2}=EI^2+IG^2=frac{(x+7)^2}{16}+frac{(9-x)^2}{16},
$$ which implies $x=5 $ or $x=-frac{13}3$. Since $x>0$, we get $x=5$.
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Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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@OnoL Oh, you're right. It is fixed now. Thank you for the correction!
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@user Ah, I didn't know that. I'll fix it soon ... Thank you for your comment.
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@Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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@blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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Ok after some calculus, I figured out to solve this problem. Let's draw the vertical V that goes through E, and call $alpha$ and $frac{pi}{4}-alpha$ the angles we get on the left and right of the 45° angle cut by V and call c the length of the side of the square. We can then do some trigonometry to get :
$c cdot tan(alpha) - (c-frac{3}{sqrt{2}}) = c cdot tan(alpha)$ (Continue the line EF to cut AD)
$ tan(frac{pi}{4}-alpha) = c cdot frac{sqrt{2}}{8}-1$ (G is $frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away vertically from the right side and $frac{c}{2}-frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away horizontally from the middle)
With a little trigo, we have 2 equations in $c$ and $tan(alpha)$ that we can solve, which allow us to solve the whole problem. This makes me think that there is no "simple" answer without trigo :(
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Calling
$$
AF = a\
FG=x\
GC = b\
EC = c
$$
Considering in the plane $Xtimes Y$ the square diagonal as the $X$ axis with $A$ at the origin, we have
$$
frac{sqrt 2}{2}(a+x+b)= 2c\
x = sqrt2 r\
left(X_0-left(a+frac x2right)right)^2+left(Y_0-frac x2right)^2= r^2\
X_0 = a+x+b -frac{sqrt 2}{2}c\
Y_0 = frac{sqrt 2}{2}c
$$
Here $r$ represents the radius for the circle which intersects the $X$ axis at $F, G$ such that $angle FCG = frac{pi}{4}$ is the angle subtended by arc $AB$
Solving for $x,r,X_0,Y_0$ we get at
$$
left{
begin{array}{rcl}
x& =& frac{1}{3} left(b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
c& =& frac{a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
r& =& frac{b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
X_0&=&frac{1}{2} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
Y_0&=&frac{1}{6} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
end{array}
right.
$$
giving after substitution $x = 5$
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Solution without trigonometry:
Point G and F can be used to partition your figure into trapezoids by drawing a horizontal line through them. Then you can add up the areas of the figures formed and setting them equal to the area of the square which is side times side.
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I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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Let $H$ be the midpoint of $AC$ and $angle EIC= 90^{circ}$. We can observe that $$FH+3=HG+4,quad FH+HG=x.$$ So we obtain $HG=frac{x-1}2$. Since two corresponding angles are congruent; $angle FEG =angle EHG=45^{circ}$ and $angle EGF=angle HGE$, we have that $triangle FEG$ and $triangle EHG$ are similar to each other. This gives $$FG:EG=EG:HGimplies EG^2 = FGcdot HG=frac{x(x-1)}2.$$ Now, note that $EI=frac14 AC=frac{x+7}4$ and $IG=IH-GH=frac{x+7}{4}-frac{x-1}2=frac{9-x}{4}$. Since $triangle EIG$ is a right triangle, by Pythagorean theorem, we find that
$$
EG^2=frac{x(x-1)}{2}=EI^2+IG^2=frac{(x+7)^2}{16}+frac{(9-x)^2}{16},
$$ which implies $x=5 $ or $x=-frac{13}3$. Since $x>0$, we get $x=5$.
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Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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@OnoL Oh, you're right. It is fixed now. Thank you for the correction!
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@user Ah, I didn't know that. I'll fix it soon ... Thank you for your comment.
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@Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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@blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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Let $H$ be the midpoint of $AC$ and $angle EIC= 90^{circ}$. We can observe that $$FH+3=HG+4,quad FH+HG=x.$$ So we obtain $HG=frac{x-1}2$. Since two corresponding angles are congruent; $angle FEG =angle EHG=45^{circ}$ and $angle EGF=angle HGE$, we have that $triangle FEG$ and $triangle EHG$ are similar to each other. This gives $$FG:EG=EG:HGimplies EG^2 = FGcdot HG=frac{x(x-1)}2.$$ Now, note that $EI=frac14 AC=frac{x+7}4$ and $IG=IH-GH=frac{x+7}{4}-frac{x-1}2=frac{9-x}{4}$. Since $triangle EIG$ is a right triangle, by Pythagorean theorem, we find that
$$
EG^2=frac{x(x-1)}{2}=EI^2+IG^2=frac{(x+7)^2}{16}+frac{(9-x)^2}{16},
$$ which implies $x=5 $ or $x=-frac{13}3$. Since $x>0$, we get $x=5$.
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Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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@OnoL Oh, you're right. It is fixed now. Thank you for the correction!
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@user Ah, I didn't know that. I'll fix it soon ... Thank you for your comment.
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@Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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@blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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Let $H$ be the midpoint of $AC$ and $angle EIC= 90^{circ}$. We can observe that $$FH+3=HG+4,quad FH+HG=x.$$ So we obtain $HG=frac{x-1}2$. Since two corresponding angles are congruent; $angle FEG =angle EHG=45^{circ}$ and $angle EGF=angle HGE$, we have that $triangle FEG$ and $triangle EHG$ are similar to each other. This gives $$FG:EG=EG:HGimplies EG^2 = FGcdot HG=frac{x(x-1)}2.$$ Now, note that $EI=frac14 AC=frac{x+7}4$ and $IG=IH-GH=frac{x+7}{4}-frac{x-1}2=frac{9-x}{4}$. Since $triangle EIG$ is a right triangle, by Pythagorean theorem, we find that
$$
EG^2=frac{x(x-1)}{2}=EI^2+IG^2=frac{(x+7)^2}{16}+frac{(9-x)^2}{16},
$$ which implies $x=5 $ or $x=-frac{13}3$. Since $x>0$, we get $x=5$.
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Let $H$ be the midpoint of $AC$ and $angle EIC= 90^{circ}$. We can observe that $$FH+3=HG+4,quad FH+HG=x.$$ So we obtain $HG=frac{x-1}2$. Since two corresponding angles are congruent; $angle FEG =angle EHG=45^{circ}$ and $angle EGF=angle HGE$, we have that $triangle FEG$ and $triangle EHG$ are similar to each other. This gives $$FG:EG=EG:HGimplies EG^2 = FGcdot HG=frac{x(x-1)}2.$$ Now, note that $EI=frac14 AC=frac{x+7}4$ and $IG=IH-GH=frac{x+7}{4}-frac{x-1}2=frac{9-x}{4}$. Since $triangle EIG$ is a right triangle, by Pythagorean theorem, we find that
$$
EG^2=frac{x(x-1)}{2}=EI^2+IG^2=frac{(x+7)^2}{16}+frac{(9-x)^2}{16},
$$ which implies $x=5 $ or $x=-frac{13}3$. Since $x>0$, we get $x=5$.
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Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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@OnoL Oh, you're right. It is fixed now. Thank you for the correction!
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@user Ah, I didn't know that. I'll fix it soon ... Thank you for your comment.
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@Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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@blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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@OnoL Oh, you're right. It is fixed now. Thank you for the correction!
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@user Ah, I didn't know that. I'll fix it soon ... Thank you for your comment.
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@Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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@blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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Maybe a typo. In the first line, I guess you meant $angle FEG=alpha$.
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@OnoL Oh, you're right. It is fixed now. Thank you for the correction!
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@OnoL Oh, you're right. It is fixed now. Thank you for the correction!
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@user Ah, I didn't know that. I'll fix it soon ... Thank you for your comment.
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@user Ah, I didn't know that. I'll fix it soon ... Thank you for your comment.
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@Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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@Song How did you come up with this so quickly, as if you were waiting with the solution in hand?
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@blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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@blackened If I was quick, I think it is only because I was lucky to see this post earlier than most users. (Of course there is no way I was waiting for you to post this question :) At first, I tried drawing some lines and adding points to get some information, and then I was able to notice similiarity of triangles. It gave me a hint and I pursued how far I could go with it.
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Ok after some calculus, I figured out to solve this problem. Let's draw the vertical V that goes through E, and call $alpha$ and $frac{pi}{4}-alpha$ the angles we get on the left and right of the 45° angle cut by V and call c the length of the side of the square. We can then do some trigonometry to get :
$c cdot tan(alpha) - (c-frac{3}{sqrt{2}}) = c cdot tan(alpha)$ (Continue the line EF to cut AD)
$ tan(frac{pi}{4}-alpha) = c cdot frac{sqrt{2}}{8}-1$ (G is $frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away vertically from the right side and $frac{c}{2}-frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away horizontally from the middle)
With a little trigo, we have 2 equations in $c$ and $tan(alpha)$ that we can solve, which allow us to solve the whole problem. This makes me think that there is no "simple" answer without trigo :(
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Ok after some calculus, I figured out to solve this problem. Let's draw the vertical V that goes through E, and call $alpha$ and $frac{pi}{4}-alpha$ the angles we get on the left and right of the 45° angle cut by V and call c the length of the side of the square. We can then do some trigonometry to get :
$c cdot tan(alpha) - (c-frac{3}{sqrt{2}}) = c cdot tan(alpha)$ (Continue the line EF to cut AD)
$ tan(frac{pi}{4}-alpha) = c cdot frac{sqrt{2}}{8}-1$ (G is $frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away vertically from the right side and $frac{c}{2}-frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away horizontally from the middle)
With a little trigo, we have 2 equations in $c$ and $tan(alpha)$ that we can solve, which allow us to solve the whole problem. This makes me think that there is no "simple" answer without trigo :(
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Ok after some calculus, I figured out to solve this problem. Let's draw the vertical V that goes through E, and call $alpha$ and $frac{pi}{4}-alpha$ the angles we get on the left and right of the 45° angle cut by V and call c the length of the side of the square. We can then do some trigonometry to get :
$c cdot tan(alpha) - (c-frac{3}{sqrt{2}}) = c cdot tan(alpha)$ (Continue the line EF to cut AD)
$ tan(frac{pi}{4}-alpha) = c cdot frac{sqrt{2}}{8}-1$ (G is $frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away vertically from the right side and $frac{c}{2}-frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away horizontally from the middle)
With a little trigo, we have 2 equations in $c$ and $tan(alpha)$ that we can solve, which allow us to solve the whole problem. This makes me think that there is no "simple" answer without trigo :(
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Ok after some calculus, I figured out to solve this problem. Let's draw the vertical V that goes through E, and call $alpha$ and $frac{pi}{4}-alpha$ the angles we get on the left and right of the 45° angle cut by V and call c the length of the side of the square. We can then do some trigonometry to get :
$c cdot tan(alpha) - (c-frac{3}{sqrt{2}}) = c cdot tan(alpha)$ (Continue the line EF to cut AD)
$ tan(frac{pi}{4}-alpha) = c cdot frac{sqrt{2}}{8}-1$ (G is $frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away vertically from the right side and $frac{c}{2}-frac{4}{sqrt{2}}$ away horizontally from the middle)
With a little trigo, we have 2 equations in $c$ and $tan(alpha)$ that we can solve, which allow us to solve the whole problem. This makes me think that there is no "simple" answer without trigo :(
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Calling
$$
AF = a\
FG=x\
GC = b\
EC = c
$$
Considering in the plane $Xtimes Y$ the square diagonal as the $X$ axis with $A$ at the origin, we have
$$
frac{sqrt 2}{2}(a+x+b)= 2c\
x = sqrt2 r\
left(X_0-left(a+frac x2right)right)^2+left(Y_0-frac x2right)^2= r^2\
X_0 = a+x+b -frac{sqrt 2}{2}c\
Y_0 = frac{sqrt 2}{2}c
$$
Here $r$ represents the radius for the circle which intersects the $X$ axis at $F, G$ such that $angle FCG = frac{pi}{4}$ is the angle subtended by arc $AB$
Solving for $x,r,X_0,Y_0$ we get at
$$
left{
begin{array}{rcl}
x& =& frac{1}{3} left(b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
c& =& frac{a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
r& =& frac{b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
X_0&=&frac{1}{2} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
Y_0&=&frac{1}{6} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
end{array}
right.
$$
giving after substitution $x = 5$
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Calling
$$
AF = a\
FG=x\
GC = b\
EC = c
$$
Considering in the plane $Xtimes Y$ the square diagonal as the $X$ axis with $A$ at the origin, we have
$$
frac{sqrt 2}{2}(a+x+b)= 2c\
x = sqrt2 r\
left(X_0-left(a+frac x2right)right)^2+left(Y_0-frac x2right)^2= r^2\
X_0 = a+x+b -frac{sqrt 2}{2}c\
Y_0 = frac{sqrt 2}{2}c
$$
Here $r$ represents the radius for the circle which intersects the $X$ axis at $F, G$ such that $angle FCG = frac{pi}{4}$ is the angle subtended by arc $AB$
Solving for $x,r,X_0,Y_0$ we get at
$$
left{
begin{array}{rcl}
x& =& frac{1}{3} left(b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
c& =& frac{a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
r& =& frac{b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
X_0&=&frac{1}{2} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
Y_0&=&frac{1}{6} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
end{array}
right.
$$
giving after substitution $x = 5$
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$begingroup$
Calling
$$
AF = a\
FG=x\
GC = b\
EC = c
$$
Considering in the plane $Xtimes Y$ the square diagonal as the $X$ axis with $A$ at the origin, we have
$$
frac{sqrt 2}{2}(a+x+b)= 2c\
x = sqrt2 r\
left(X_0-left(a+frac x2right)right)^2+left(Y_0-frac x2right)^2= r^2\
X_0 = a+x+b -frac{sqrt 2}{2}c\
Y_0 = frac{sqrt 2}{2}c
$$
Here $r$ represents the radius for the circle which intersects the $X$ axis at $F, G$ such that $angle FCG = frac{pi}{4}$ is the angle subtended by arc $AB$
Solving for $x,r,X_0,Y_0$ we get at
$$
left{
begin{array}{rcl}
x& =& frac{1}{3} left(b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
c& =& frac{a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
r& =& frac{b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
X_0&=&frac{1}{2} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
Y_0&=&frac{1}{6} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
end{array}
right.
$$
giving after substitution $x = 5$
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Calling
$$
AF = a\
FG=x\
GC = b\
EC = c
$$
Considering in the plane $Xtimes Y$ the square diagonal as the $X$ axis with $A$ at the origin, we have
$$
frac{sqrt 2}{2}(a+x+b)= 2c\
x = sqrt2 r\
left(X_0-left(a+frac x2right)right)^2+left(Y_0-frac x2right)^2= r^2\
X_0 = a+x+b -frac{sqrt 2}{2}c\
Y_0 = frac{sqrt 2}{2}c
$$
Here $r$ represents the radius for the circle which intersects the $X$ axis at $F, G$ such that $angle FCG = frac{pi}{4}$ is the angle subtended by arc $AB$
Solving for $x,r,X_0,Y_0$ we get at
$$
left{
begin{array}{rcl}
x& =& frac{1}{3} left(b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
c& =& frac{a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
r& =& frac{b-a+2 sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}}{3 sqrt{2}} \
X_0&=&frac{1}{2} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
Y_0&=&frac{1}{6} left(a+2 b+sqrt{a^2-2 b a+4 b^2}right) \
end{array}
right.
$$
giving after substitution $x = 5$
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Solution without trigonometry:
Point G and F can be used to partition your figure into trapezoids by drawing a horizontal line through them. Then you can add up the areas of the figures formed and setting them equal to the area of the square which is side times side.
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I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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Solution without trigonometry:
Point G and F can be used to partition your figure into trapezoids by drawing a horizontal line through them. Then you can add up the areas of the figures formed and setting them equal to the area of the square which is side times side.
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I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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Solution without trigonometry:
Point G and F can be used to partition your figure into trapezoids by drawing a horizontal line through them. Then you can add up the areas of the figures formed and setting them equal to the area of the square which is side times side.
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Solution without trigonometry:
Point G and F can be used to partition your figure into trapezoids by drawing a horizontal line through them. Then you can add up the areas of the figures formed and setting them equal to the area of the square which is side times side.
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I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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– blackened
4 hours ago
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I still do not understand. Unless I am missing something, three areas you mention do not add up. Can you be more explicit. (And rotate the image?)
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– blackened
4 hours ago
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Well, this is harder than it looks !
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– Statistic Dean
6 hours ago
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@StatisticDean yup, sitting here for like 25 minutes now and drawing the 50th picture
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Actually, I think it is quite easy with trigonometry : you can write the law of cosines in triangles $ECG$, $EFC$ and $EFG$. From this you get a relation between $x$ and the length $L$ of the side of your square. Then you have also $(7+x)^2 = 2L^2$, and the two relations together give you $x$. But without trigonometry, I have no idea...
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– TheSilverDoe
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One reflection proves that G is on AD. A second reflection proves that AF=AC/4.
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– amI
2 hours ago
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Seeing the lengths 3cm, 4cm and half of a right angle, I somehow think of x=5
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