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I want to bring this up to HostGator, but want to verify my suspicions before making a big fuss.

I asked a customer care representative to help me add an SSL certificate to a site I host with them. When he was done, I received this e-mail with all my login information, and my entire password in plain text (I left the first letter visible as evidence). I set up this password over a year ago, and it was a big surprise to find out they sent it back to me, unprompted, in plaintext:

I immediately brought this up to the representative, who repeatedly tried to convince me that it was OK. I decided to drop it after a few minutes, because I think I should bring it up to someone higher up. Before I do so, is it safe to assume that my password is stored in their database as plain text? If so, do you have any suggestions on how to address this issue with the provider?

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  Welcome emails tend to have a temporary password that is sent in plaintext. The system generates that and sends it to you. But even then, it is likely to be hashed (not encrypted) in their systems. The reason they know it is because they generated it.
  
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  @schroeder They did not generate the password. I set it up over a year ago. This was not a "welcome e-mail", I've had an account with them for a while now. Today's chat with the representative was to ask for help with setting up an SSL certificate.
  
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  It can be encrypted in a database but in a way that it could be decrypted for whatever need. It is different if it was stored hashed in the database, in which case the plain text form could never be retrieved, only checking equality would be possible.
  
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  The opposite of encryption is decryption. Encryption converts plaintext to ciphertext. Decryption converts ciphertext to plaintext. If someone can tell you your password then it may or may not be encrypted on their end. The method which should be used, that isn't reversible (by any method other than guess and check), is called hashing.
  
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I want to bring this up to HostGator, but want to verify my suspicions before making a big fuss.

I asked a customer care representative to help me add an SSL certificate to a site I host with them. When he was done, I received this e-mail with all my login information, and my entire password in plain text (I left the first letter visible as evidence). I set up this password over a year ago, and it was a big surprise to find out they sent it back to me, unprompted, in plaintext:

I immediately brought this up to the representative, who repeatedly tried to convince me that it was OK. I decided to drop it after a few minutes, because I think I should bring it up to someone higher up. Before I do so, is it safe to assume that my password is stored in their database as plain text? If so, do you have any suggestions on how to address this issue with the provider?

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  Welcome emails tend to have a temporary password that is sent in plaintext. The system generates that and sends it to you. But even then, it is likely to be hashed (not encrypted) in their systems. The reason they know it is because they generated it.
  
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  @schroeder They did not generate the password. I set it up over a year ago. This was not a "welcome e-mail", I've had an account with them for a while now. Today's chat with the representative was to ask for help with setting up an SSL certificate.
  
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  Ok, that all good info to have.
  
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  It can be encrypted in a database but in a way that it could be decrypted for whatever need. It is different if it was stored hashed in the database, in which case the plain text form could never be retrieved, only checking equality would be possible.
  
  – Patrick Mevzek
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  The opposite of encryption is decryption. Encryption converts plaintext to ciphertext. Decryption converts ciphertext to plaintext. If someone can tell you your password then it may or may not be encrypted on their end. The method which should be used, that isn't reversible (by any method other than guess and check), is called hashing.
  
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I want to bring this up to HostGator, but want to verify my suspicions before making a big fuss.

I asked a customer care representative to help me add an SSL certificate to a site I host with them. When he was done, I received this e-mail with all my login information, and my entire password in plain text (I left the first letter visible as evidence). I set up this password over a year ago, and it was a big surprise to find out they sent it back to me, unprompted, in plaintext:

I immediately brought this up to the representative, who repeatedly tried to convince me that it was OK. I decided to drop it after a few minutes, because I think I should bring it up to someone higher up. Before I do so, is it safe to assume that my password is stored in their database as plain text? If so, do you have any suggestions on how to address this issue with the provider?

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Yep, that's a big problem, especially if that was your old password (i.e. not a newly assigned one).

Technically, the password might be stored under reversible encryption rather than plain text, but that's nearly as bad. The absolute minimum standard should be a salted hash - anything less and anybody with access to the auth database who wants to can use an online rainbow table to get back the plaintext passwords in moments - but single-iteration secure hash algorithm (SHA) functions are still easy to brute force with a GPU (they're designed to be fast; a high-end GPU can compute billions per second) so they really ought to be using a proper password hashing function such as scrypt or argon2, or in a pinch bcrypt or PBKDF2.

Also, there is absolutely no way to guarantee that the email was encrypted along the entire path between their mail server and your email client. Email was designed in a day when people didn't really consider such things to be critical, and short of an end-to-end encryption scheme like OpenPGP or S/MIME, email is at best encrypted opportunistically, and may be passed through an unencrypted relay.

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  That's a very good point. Not only are they storing their passwords in a potentially insecure manner, they are also unnecessarily transmitting them to their users through an insecure protocol.
  
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  You should absolutely bring this up. No decent current security system should be able to provide current credentials. Admins should have knowledge on how to reset to a default as necessary or provide reset instructions, but not retrieve and provide you with the private credentials that you, the user, created, and should only be known by you. You can bring this up as an exposure to a malicious insider or MITM.
  
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We aren't HostGator, but they said they aren't. Sending it to you in an email doesn't mean it's stored in plaintext on their servers, but no one other than them can be for sure.

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  I set up that password over a year ago. Could you explain to me how they sent it back to me in plaintext if it wasn't stored in plaintext?
  
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  @Marquizzo again, I'm not them, but I am sure if they have some encryption scheme for passwords or other way to obfuscate it they have a way to decrypt it in case you loose your password. I use Digital Ocean and they allow me to get my password back if I lose it.
  
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  @Marquizzo, it literally says thank you for your order. Did they have to bill you again and it popped up bc of that?
  
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  @JasonMichaels that's kind of unusual, in general they should not be able to get your password back if you lose it, they should be only able to reset/overwrite the password with a new one.
  
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  Lots of companies save passwords for legal reasons like if they were contacted by law enforcement or whatever, you are right that some don't believe in that though.
  
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Yep, that's a big problem, especially if that was your old password (i.e. not a newly assigned one).

Technically, the password might be stored under reversible encryption rather than plain text, but that's nearly as bad. The absolute minimum standard should be a salted hash - anything less and anybody with access to the auth database who wants to can use an online rainbow table to get back the plaintext passwords in moments - but single-iteration secure hash algorithm (SHA) functions are still easy to brute force with a GPU (they're designed to be fast; a high-end GPU can compute billions per second) so they really ought to be using a proper password hashing function such as scrypt or argon2, or in a pinch bcrypt or PBKDF2.

Also, there is absolutely no way to guarantee that the email was encrypted along the entire path between their mail server and your email client. Email was designed in a day when people didn't really consider such things to be critical, and short of an end-to-end encryption scheme like OpenPGP or S/MIME, email is at best encrypted opportunistically, and may be passed through an unencrypted relay.

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  That's a very good point. Not only are they storing their passwords in a potentially insecure manner, they are also unnecessarily transmitting them to their users through an insecure protocol.
  
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  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  You should absolutely bring this up. No decent current security system should be able to provide current credentials. Admins should have knowledge on how to reset to a default as necessary or provide reset instructions, but not retrieve and provide you with the private credentials that you, the user, created, and should only be known by you. You can bring this up as an exposure to a malicious insider or MITM.
  
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Yep, that's a big problem, especially if that was your old password (i.e. not a newly assigned one).

Technically, the password might be stored under reversible encryption rather than plain text, but that's nearly as bad. The absolute minimum standard should be a salted hash - anything less and anybody with access to the auth database who wants to can use an online rainbow table to get back the plaintext passwords in moments - but single-iteration secure hash algorithm (SHA) functions are still easy to brute force with a GPU (they're designed to be fast; a high-end GPU can compute billions per second) so they really ought to be using a proper password hashing function such as scrypt or argon2, or in a pinch bcrypt or PBKDF2.

Also, there is absolutely no way to guarantee that the email was encrypted along the entire path between their mail server and your email client. Email was designed in a day when people didn't really consider such things to be critical, and short of an end-to-end encryption scheme like OpenPGP or S/MIME, email is at best encrypted opportunistically, and may be passed through an unencrypted relay.

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answered 3 hours ago

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  That's a very good point. Not only are they storing their passwords in a potentially insecure manner, they are also unnecessarily transmitting them to their users through an insecure protocol.
  
  – Marquizzo
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  You should absolutely bring this up. No decent current security system should be able to provide current credentials. Admins should have knowledge on how to reset to a default as necessary or provide reset instructions, but not retrieve and provide you with the private credentials that you, the user, created, and should only be known by you. You can bring this up as an exposure to a malicious insider or MITM.
  
  – psosuna
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Yep, that's a big problem, especially if that was your old password (i.e. not a newly assigned one).

Technically, the password might be stored under reversible encryption rather than plain text, but that's nearly as bad. The absolute minimum standard should be a salted hash - anything less and anybody with access to the auth database who wants to can use an online rainbow table to get back the plaintext passwords in moments - but single-iteration secure hash algorithm (SHA) functions are still easy to brute force with a GPU (they're designed to be fast; a high-end GPU can compute billions per second) so they really ought to be using a proper password hashing function such as scrypt or argon2, or in a pinch bcrypt or PBKDF2.

Also, there is absolutely no way to guarantee that the email was encrypted along the entire path between their mail server and your email client. Email was designed in a day when people didn't really consider such things to be critical, and short of an end-to-end encryption scheme like OpenPGP or S/MIME, email is at best encrypted opportunistically, and may be passed through an unencrypted relay.

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We aren't HostGator, but they said they aren't. Sending it to you in an email doesn't mean it's stored in plaintext on their servers, but no one other than them can be for sure.

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  I set up that password over a year ago. Could you explain to me how they sent it back to me in plaintext if it wasn't stored in plaintext?
  
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  @Marquizzo again, I'm not them, but I am sure if they have some encryption scheme for passwords or other way to obfuscate it they have a way to decrypt it in case you loose your password. I use Digital Ocean and they allow me to get my password back if I lose it.
  
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  @Marquizzo, it literally says thank you for your order. Did they have to bill you again and it popped up bc of that?
  
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  @JasonMichaels that's kind of unusual, in general they should not be able to get your password back if you lose it, they should be only able to reset/overwrite the password with a new one.
  
  – Peteris
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  Lots of companies save passwords for legal reasons like if they were contacted by law enforcement or whatever, you are right that some don't believe in that though.
  
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  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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We aren't HostGator, but they said they aren't. Sending it to you in an email doesn't mean it's stored in plaintext on their servers, but no one other than them can be for sure.

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  I set up that password over a year ago. Could you explain to me how they sent it back to me in plaintext if it wasn't stored in plaintext?
  
  – Marquizzo
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  @Marquizzo again, I'm not them, but I am sure if they have some encryption scheme for passwords or other way to obfuscate it they have a way to decrypt it in case you loose your password. I use Digital Ocean and they allow me to get my password back if I lose it.
  
  – Jason Michaels
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Marquizzo, it literally says thank you for your order. Did they have to bill you again and it popped up bc of that?
  
  – Jason Michaels
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  @JasonMichaels that's kind of unusual, in general they should not be able to get your password back if you lose it, they should be only able to reset/overwrite the password with a new one.
  
  – Peteris
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Lots of companies save passwords for legal reasons like if they were contacted by law enforcement or whatever, you are right that some don't believe in that though.
  
  – Jason Michaels
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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We aren't HostGator, but they said they aren't. Sending it to you in an email doesn't mean it's stored in plaintext on their servers, but no one other than them can be for sure.

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