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Is there a measurement for the vocal speed of a song?

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I'm trying to find a way to measure the speed of a song from the perspective of singing/rapping. So far all I can find is BPM (beats per minute), however there are at least 2 issues with that:

• The BPM number depends on which beats are counted, quite often a website will report twice the BPM that I measure by myself.


• The BPM is not always related to the vocal speed. For example, "Thoughts Of A Dying Atheist" by Muse has 179 BPM but the singing part is quite slow, while "Break Ya Neck" by Busta Rhymes has only 83 BPM, but a... neck-breaking rapping speed.

Is there a more accurate measurement for the vocal speed? I'm thinking something along the lines of (continuous) syllables per minute, excluding the instrumental parts.

voice tempo

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  part 1) perhaps you are miscounting beats. part 2) vocal speed does not have bpm
  
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  @DoktorMayhem 1) perhaps I am, perhaps the person who published the number on the website is; 2) that's my point, how to measure it?
  
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  By the way, sometimes different websites show different numbers for the same song (usually one is double the other, but not always)
  
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  Syllables/second? Words/min? Notes/second?
  
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I'm trying to find a way to measure the speed of a song from the perspective of singing/rapping. So far all I can find is BPM (beats per minute), however there are at least 2 issues with that:

• The BPM number depends on which beats are counted, quite often a website will report twice the BPM that I measure by myself.


• The BPM is not always related to the vocal speed. For example, "Thoughts Of A Dying Atheist" by Muse has 179 BPM but the singing part is quite slow, while "Break Ya Neck" by Busta Rhymes has only 83 BPM, but a... neck-breaking rapping speed.

Is there a more accurate measurement for the vocal speed? I'm thinking something along the lines of (continuous) syllables per minute, excluding the instrumental parts.

voice tempo

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  part 1) perhaps you are miscounting beats. part 2) vocal speed does not have bpm
  
  – Doktor Mayhem♦
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @DoktorMayhem 1) perhaps I am, perhaps the person who published the number on the website is; 2) that's my point, how to measure it?
  
  – aditsu
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  By the way, sometimes different websites show different numbers for the same song (usually one is double the other, but not always)
  
  – aditsu
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Syllables/second? Words/min? Notes/second?
  
  – user45266
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

I'm trying to find a way to measure the speed of a song from the perspective of singing/rapping. So far all I can find is BPM (beats per minute), however there are at least 2 issues with that:

• The BPM number depends on which beats are counted, quite often a website will report twice the BPM that I measure by myself.


• The BPM is not always related to the vocal speed. For example, "Thoughts Of A Dying Atheist" by Muse has 179 BPM but the singing part is quite slow, while "Break Ya Neck" by Busta Rhymes has only 83 BPM, but a... neck-breaking rapping speed.

Is there a more accurate measurement for the vocal speed? I'm thinking something along the lines of (continuous) syllables per minute, excluding the instrumental parts.

voice tempo

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There is the concept (not specific to music) of Speech Tempo. As you will see from the article, there is some degree of discussion about how this should be measured - for example, words per minute, syllables per second, or sounds per second. One could imagine even deeper levels of granularity - such as the inclusion of changes in pitch or timbre as sound 'features'.

Within rap music, it's common to measure rap performances in terms of syllables per second - such performances have been noted in the Guinness book of Records.

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I humbly propose "maximum notes/second": Take the fastest part of the song and calculate the number of notes in that amount of time. If you have a passage that is super-fast in one part but really slow in another, it's way more important to know that you need to be able to rap/sing/play at that fastest part's speed to play the whole song. Compare the intro of Eminem's "Rap God" to the fast part. Obviously, to tackle that song, one needs to be able to rap as fast as the fastest part, not just the average of the whole song.

Disclaimer: No one uses this, because I made it up. I think it's way more useful than average notes/second.

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There is the concept (not specific to music) of Speech Tempo. As you will see from the article, there is some degree of discussion about how this should be measured - for example, words per minute, syllables per second, or sounds per second. One could imagine even deeper levels of granularity - such as the inclusion of changes in pitch or timbre as sound 'features'.

Within rap music, it's common to measure rap performances in terms of syllables per second - such performances have been noted in the Guinness book of Records.

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There is the concept (not specific to music) of Speech Tempo. As you will see from the article, there is some degree of discussion about how this should be measured - for example, words per minute, syllables per second, or sounds per second. One could imagine even deeper levels of granularity - such as the inclusion of changes in pitch or timbre as sound 'features'.

Within rap music, it's common to measure rap performances in terms of syllables per second - such performances have been noted in the Guinness book of Records.

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There is the concept (not specific to music) of Speech Tempo. As you will see from the article, there is some degree of discussion about how this should be measured - for example, words per minute, syllables per second, or sounds per second. One could imagine even deeper levels of granularity - such as the inclusion of changes in pitch or timbre as sound 'features'.

Within rap music, it's common to measure rap performances in terms of syllables per second - such performances have been noted in the Guinness book of Records.

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answered 5 hours ago

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answered 5 hours ago

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I humbly propose "maximum notes/second": Take the fastest part of the song and calculate the number of notes in that amount of time. If you have a passage that is super-fast in one part but really slow in another, it's way more important to know that you need to be able to rap/sing/play at that fastest part's speed to play the whole song. Compare the intro of Eminem's "Rap God" to the fast part. Obviously, to tackle that song, one needs to be able to rap as fast as the fastest part, not just the average of the whole song.

Disclaimer: No one uses this, because I made it up. I think it's way more useful than average notes/second.

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2

I humbly propose "maximum notes/second": Take the fastest part of the song and calculate the number of notes in that amount of time. If you have a passage that is super-fast in one part but really slow in another, it's way more important to know that you need to be able to rap/sing/play at that fastest part's speed to play the whole song. Compare the intro of Eminem's "Rap God" to the fast part. Obviously, to tackle that song, one needs to be able to rap as fast as the fastest part, not just the average of the whole song.

Disclaimer: No one uses this, because I made it up. I think it's way more useful than average notes/second.

share|improve this answer

answered 4 hours ago

user45266user45266

3,5951734

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I humbly propose "maximum notes/second": Take the fastest part of the song and calculate the number of notes in that amount of time. If you have a passage that is super-fast in one part but really slow in another, it's way more important to know that you need to be able to rap/sing/play at that fastest part's speed to play the whole song. Compare the intro of Eminem's "Rap God" to the fast part. Obviously, to tackle that song, one needs to be able to rap as fast as the fastest part, not just the average of the whole song.

Disclaimer: No one uses this, because I made it up. I think it's way more useful than average notes/second.

share|improve this answer

answered 4 hours ago

user45266user45266

3,5951734

share|improve this answer

answered 4 hours ago

user45266user45266

3,5951734

answered 4 hours ago

user45266user45266

3,5951734

answered 4 hours ago

user45266user45266

3,5951734